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    Any guesses to how bad the traffic will be Thursday leading up to the first game? We're coming in from out of town and will be staying about 10 miles from the arena.
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    Looking for something to do on Friday in Buffalo. The weather looks like it will be rainy and I am not feeling like driving to Toronto. Any suggestions?
    Just a few suggestions in case of rain:

    Of course the Falls because it is usually misty there anyway. You also have the Casinos in Buffalo and NF. The Fashion Outlets in Niagara Falls is a huge mostly indoor complex. The Albright-Knox Art Museum is a gem and the Elmwood Avenue area is nice to go through to get there. Another idea is the Niagara Wine trail. South of Downtown Buffalo there is the Botanical Gardens which has an indoor dome and greenhouses and the impressive Basilica of Our Lady of Victory is nearby that. Another idea is the Lockport Cave tour and stop in at the New York Beer Project on the way there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisP View Post
    You're right that's tough. Providence to Boston is only about 50min., and you can make it to NYC in around 3 hours with no traffic...
    And when does that happen? Connecticut is in the way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joecct View Post
    And when does that happen? Connecticut is in the way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by joecct View Post
    And when does that happen? Connecticut is in the way.
    I've done a few times no problem. Late nights after a game, Providence to the Upper Eastside - 3-3:15 hours. Heck, the Acela is 3 hours and there are stops....

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    Re: 2019 Frozen Four: NCHC vs. Hockey East

    The inside of the arena is coming along....

    Take a look:

    https://www.facebook.com/ncaahockey/...type=3&theater

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    4,000 seats still available, according to this story:

    https://buffalonews.com/2019/04/09/o...st-in-buffalo/

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    Thatíd make this the lowest attended FF since Albany in 2001.

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    Good luck to everyone traveling to Buffalo this weekend. There are some massive wind farms in the area so the risk of cancer is great. Be careful out there!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExileOnDaytonStreet View Post
    Thatíd make this the lowest attended FF since Albany in 2001.
    Not a good comparison, because that's due to the size of the venue, not demand. Albany was totally sold out and tickets, unlike recent years, weren't easy to find back then either. Size of the building is obviously lower than the NHL rinks, but secondary demand was far higher than a FF from the last 10 years or so.

    Either way it shows how far the FF has fallen when this many announced tickets are unsold. Years back I would keep buying FF tickets to maintain my priority but things changed when we did nothing but break even and then we couldn't go anymore. Over time we started getting annual calls from the NCAA telling us seats were available and asking why we weren't going. That was a far cry from how it was 15-20 years ago.

    For fun I checked out the Buffalo seats that were available a week ago and they were quality lower bowl seats. It's also entirely likely there will be even more seats available Saturday if some fans of the losing teams opt to go home, which may well happen when 2 of them are reasonable driving distance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HockeyMan2000 View Post
    Not a good comparison, because that's due to the size of the venue, not demand. Albany was totally sold out and tickets, unlike recent years, weren't easy to find back then either. Size of the building is obviously lower than the NHL rinks, but secondary demand was far higher than a FF from the last 10 years or so.
    Yeah, that's the way I remember Albany too.

    The worst FF I remember in terms of attendance and seat availability was Columbus in 2005. There were seats everywhere, and I remember a guy with a fist full of tickets standing in front of the door trying to sell them for $10/ticket and was getting no takers.
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    Even the reported numbers for Columbus were only 91% of capacity.

    Albany mustíve had a smaller capacity in 2001, or Wikipedia has inaccurate numbers on capacity. They averaged 13390 in a building that supposedly seats 14,230 (94%). Still very good, since Iím not sure how easily anyone would notice 1/20 seats being empty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExileOnDaytonStreet View Post
    Even the reported numbers for Columbus were only 91% of capacity.

    Albany mustíve had a smaller capacity in 2001, or Wikipedia has inaccurate numbers on capacity. They averaged 13390 in a building that supposedly seats 14,230 (94%). Still very good, since Iím not sure how easily anyone would notice 1/20 seats being empty.
    It was a smaller capacity in 2001. I believe back then it was around 13900. The weirdest part about 2001 was that they had the East Regional (when there were only 2 sites) in 2000, and if you bought tickets for the regional, you could get the same seats for the FF which is what I did.

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    The tickets haven't moved because the local perception is they're overpriced, for the casual hockey fan who has no rooting interest. And this is in a town that loves its hockey, has been bereft of anything to root for by a poorly managed Sabres organization, and with a lot more fans nearby in Canada. A few years ago Buffalo hosted the World Juniors and a lot of it didn't sell out because the perception was, again, that they were overpriced.

    Traffic tonight - it will back up for a bit along the 190, and it might be slow around the arena and downtown, but nothing major.

    Stuff to do around here:

    As others said, if you're into art, there's the Albright Knox gallery (modern art) up Elmwood by the 198. Across the street is the Burchfield Penney gallery. The Darwin Martin House on Jewett Parkway near the zoo is a popular tourist site. Niagara Falls, of course, and there are a couple casinos in the area if that's what you're into.
    Like any city these days, we have our share of breweries. There's Big Ditch downtown, Resurgence up Niagara Street, 42 North down in East Aurora (a bit of a drive), New York Beer Project up towards Lockport (another bit of a drive), Hamburg Brewing south of the city. Belt Line Brewing Company near the Larkin District just opened. Community Beer Works on the West Side. These tend to close earlier, at 11 or 12.
    Buffalo is proud of its food - do this weekend right and you may drive home 10 pounds heavier. Wings are found both at bars and at pizzerias. The best are when they come right out of the fryer to your table. I've never been to Anchor Bar - it's usually for tourists. Duff's is a standard place, they have several locations but the original is in Amherst at Sheridan and Millersport. Bar Bill is a big deal down in East Aurora. Other local favorites are Nine Eleven Tavern in South Buffalo and Gabriel's Gate in Allentown.
    Buffalo style pizza is somewhere between Chicago deep dish and NY thin slice. The usual best are LaNova's on the West Side, Bocce Club on Bailey Ave in Amherst, and Imperial Pizza on Abbott in South Buffalo (a Bocce clone). Santora's is pretty good too, they have one by UB North Campus and another huge operation out on Transit in East Amherst (it's yuppie heaven).
    It's Lent here, which means fish fry season, so on Friday you'll find lots of that going on. Either at restaurants or as fund raisers at churches and fire halls.
    Unfortunately you're going to miss Dyngus Day by a week.
    Dinosaur BBQ of Syracuse opened a location downtown a few years ago, very good food.
    For nightlife - there's some downtown, mostly around Chippewa Street, but that's for bachelorette parties and meat-heads. The meat-head crowd has also moved onto Allen Street, but if you're out late (bars here can stay open till 4 am, though most probably close earlier), end your night at "The Old Pink" on Allen near Elmwood. It's a 'dive of dives', and doesn't get going till after 1. Elmwood - it's kinda spread out, from Allen north to Forty Thieves, Thin Man, Thirsty Buffalo, up to Cole's (an old Buffalo favorite, good for wings and beef-on-weck too) and Mr Goodbar. Essex St Pub on the west side is pretty chill. Hamburg and East Aurora have some walkable areas, so does Williamsville (Moor Pat and the Irishman). Hertel Ave in North Buffalo has been revived, that's very walkable and plenty of bars (Mes Que for soccer, Wellington, Sterling). They've built some things around the arena downtown - 716, and the Labatt Draft House - they're part of Pegula's money making operation, it wasn't enough to just get your money in the arena. They're probably still celebrating St Patrick's Day down in South Buffalo, at places like Nine Eleven, Blackthorn, and Doc Sullivan's.
    People don't drink much Bud or Miller around here, the basic beers are (Labatt) Blue or Blue Light or Molson.
    Lloyd Taco and Deep South Taco, La Divina in Kenmore, for Mexican. Late night food - Mighty Taco or Jim's Steakout. Oh, or Allen Street Poutine - outstanding stuff, by a couple guys from Montreal. Ted's for grilled hot dogs. If you're willing to take a little ride, Grover's in Amherst on Transit for burgers. Red-sauce Italian food - Chef's east of downtown, and Santasiero's on Niagara St at Lafayette. Pick up some Paula's Donuts at some point, the main one is on Sheridan in Tonawanda. Beef-on-weck is roast beef on a kimmelweck roll, some of the best ones are Bar Bill's in East Aurora, Schwabel's in West Seneca, and Kelly's, another dive up Delaware in North Buffalo.
    If you're looking to watch Premier League action on Saturday or Sunday morning, head to Mes Que on Hertel. They've been able to show the Beanpot for us the past couple years because the get pretty much every channel.

    You can find some more ideas at stepoutbuffalo.com and https://www.buffalospree.com/Buffalo...s-Best-Of-WNY/, also https://buffalonews.com/section/gusto/

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    Quote Originally Posted by SJHovey View Post
    Yeah, that's the way I remember Albany too.

    The worst FF I remember in terms of attendance and seat availability was Columbus in 2005. There were seats everywhere, and I remember a guy with a fist full of tickets standing in front of the door trying to sell them for $10/ticket and was getting no takers.
    That could have been me! (actually, I only had around 3 tickets to get rid of). Booked the trip early since my in-laws live there, but having 4 WCHA teams there was just a killer for generating interest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by McBain75 View Post
    The tickets haven't moved because the local perception is they're overpriced, for the casual hockey fan who has no rooting interest. And this is in a town that loves its hockey, has been bereft of anything to root for by a poorly managed Sabres organization, and with a lot more fans nearby in Canada. A few years ago Buffalo hosted the World Juniors and a lot of it didn't sell out because the perception was, again, that they were overpriced.
    It's not perception. They are, indeed, overpriced. I won't be buying through the NCAA anymore. Priority doesn't matter anymore - good tickets are easy to find so there's no reason to risk a bad year like this year.

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    Only two times I ever applied were when it was in Boston. Got tickets both times but sounds like the priority system doesn't mean a whole lot anymore because you can get tickets pretty easily. Let's take this event to Nashville and Vegas. Make it a true destination trip where the FF games are just part of your trip.

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    Single seats for the two games today can be had for under $40 right now on vivid seats

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    There are a pair of all session tickets on the prime sports official NCAA exchange for $75 each

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