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    >>> RIT Tigers Offseason: Looking forward to more in 2019-20 <<<

    Just starting a thread since the RIT 18-19 thread hit 1,000 posts and automatically closed. If someone wants to create a different one, I can close this.

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    Re: >>> RIT Tigers Offseason: Looking forward to more in 2019-20 <<<

    Quote Originally Posted by Ed Trefzger View Post
    Just starting a thread since the RIT 18-19 thread hit 1,000 posts and automatically closed. If someone wants to create a different one, I can close this.
    What's going on with the moratorium on D1 Hockey and sports in general? When will this be lifted? And is RIT still one of the only teams unable to give scholarships...
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    Re: >>> RIT Tigers Offseason: Looking forward to more in 2019-20 <<<

    Maybe you can add your last comment from the old thread to this one and we can all talk about that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ed Trefzger View Post
    If Atlantic Hockey were to go to home sites, my suggestion would be to follow the WCHA model. Top eight teams make the playoffs. Then you have a best-of-three quarterfinal and a best-of-three semifinal at the highest seeds in each round. Championship game, single elimination, at top remaining seed.



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    Re: >>> RIT Tigers Offseason: Looking forward to more in 2019-20 <<<

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    What's going on with the moratorium on D1 Hockey and sports in general? When will this be lifted? And is RIT still one of the only teams unable to give scholarships...
    Donít expect either of those to change soon, if ever. RIT and Union are still the two D-III schools with D-I hockey which by NCAA rules cannot give athletic scholarships.


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    Is it still a little early to hear news on whether any of our seniors have or will be signing an ATO with a pro team? Anybody hear anything?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ed Trefzger View Post
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    I think the spread of the league may cause problems. Imagine Air Force being the top seed and losing in the first round of the finals. Crickets for the league final.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ed Trefzger View Post
    Donít expect either of those to change soon, if ever. RIT and Union are still the two D-III schools with D-I hockey which by NCAA rules cannot give athletic scholarships.


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    I canít imagine the NCAA saying ďnoĒ if these two schools teamed up and put forth joint petitions to offer scholarships to their menís and womenís hockey teams. They already have the template from RPI. Iím not sure they really want to do it. Both still enjoy success with the programs they currently follow.

    Now if the landscape changes as teams continue to recruit European talent ala AIC and RIT and Union become doormats in their respective leagues maybe we will hear rumblings for scholarships but like Ed mentioned I donít think it will happen anytime soon regardless of what many here think would be good for RIT hockey...

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    Re: >>> RIT Tigers Offseason: Looking forward to more in 2019-20 <<<

    If it were just college hockey who decided, it would be a slam dunk. Even if it were all of NCAA D-I it probably would sail through. But itís NCAA D-III that votes on this. If it were easy, it already would have happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Downstate_RIT_Fan View Post
    I canít imagine the NCAA saying ďnoĒ if these two schools teamed up and put forth joint petitions to offer scholarships to their menís and womenís hockey teams. They already have the template from RPI. Iím not sure they really want to do it. Both still enjoy success with the programs they currently follow.
    You obviously don't understand how this works.

    The entire NCAA membership has to vote on this.

    And the last time this went up for a vote, which resulted in grandfathering in current D3 schools who give out D1 hockey scholarships, it was very contentious. It even got the NYS governor involved to help lobby for the NYS schools.
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    Re: >>> RIT Tigers Offseason: Looking forward to more in 2019-20 <<<

    Quote Originally Posted by Russell Jaslow View Post
    You obviously don't understand how this works.

    The entire NCAA membership has to vote on this.

    And the last time this went up for a vote, which resulted in grandfathering in current D3 schools who give out D1 hockey scholarships, it was very contentious. It even got the NYS governor involved to help lobby for the NYS schools.
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    https://www.uscho.com/2012/03/20/rit...to-division-i/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Downstate_RIT_Fan View Post
    I canít imagine the NCAA saying ďnoĒ if these two schools teamed up and put forth joint petitions to offer scholarships to their menís and womenís hockey teams.
    That won't happen any time soon either. The reasons previously stated notwithstanding, Union voted against the grandfather rule and would be non-scholarship by choice, regardless of the rules. They fancy themselves as an Ivy League school (even though they are not) and until that philosophy changes, they're not going to "team up" with any of the others to help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Downstate_RIT_Fan View Post
    Is it still a little early to hear news on whether any of our seniors have or will be signing an ATO with a pro team? Anybody hear anything?
    It shouldn't be all that early. Guys have pursued those ATO's within a day or two of the season ending at times. There have been FF semi-finalist losing team players playing in the AHL before the FF champion is even decided.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rochester View Post
    What's going on with the moratorium on D1 Hockey and sports in general? When will this be lifted? And is RIT still one of the only teams unable to give scholarships...
    As stated previously, D-III won't allow any D-III team to offer scholarships anymore, with the exception of the granfathered teams. The grandfathering was just voted on most recently about 10 to 15 years ago.

    Also, D-I has just within the last few years banned any new play-ups and also made it much more onerous to move your whole athletic program to D-I from D-III. IIRC, it would take at least 10 years to even be able to participate fully and share in any NCAA revenue streams, e.g. March Madness. I believe RIT Women's hockey is the last team that was allowed to play-up in the entire NCAA. The only exception to the play-up rule is the one for the D-II sports that don't have enough programs to offer championships. If they ever grow to the point where D-II hockey offers a championship again, I'm not sure what would happen to the many D-II programs that have been quite successful at D-I hockey.
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    Also, D-I has just within the last few years banned any new play-ups and also made it much more onerous to move your whole athletic program to D-I from D-III. IIRC, it would take at least 10 years to even be able to participate fully and share in any NCAA revenue streams, e.g. March Madness. I believe RIT Women's hockey is the last team that was allowed to play-up in the entire NCAA. The only exception to the play-up rule is the one for the D-II sports that don't have enough programs to offer championships. If they ever grow to the point where D-II hockey offers a championship again, I'm not sure what would happen to the many D-II programs that have been quite successful at D-I hockey.
    I would be curious if the DII teams that currently play DIII all decided to play up, would the NCAA allow it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by komey1 View Post
    I would be curious if the DII teams that currently play DIII all decided to play up, would the NCAA allow it.
    Yes.

    Because they donít have a D2 championship. Remember, they are still considered D2, whether they play a D3 schedule or not.

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    Thanks Ed, these are really good articles that accurately explain the scholarship situation. Clear and concise even to those who obviously 🙄 are not well versed in the subject. Kudos to the authors. 👍

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