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  • Re: 2019 IIHF Women's Worlds

    Originally posted by sacole13 View Post
    Where is all this love for Finland coming from? It was clear goalie interference. She ran her down and allowed the net to be empty for the goal. All this "she was out of the crease" talk is wrong. Her trail leg was still in the crease when contact was made.

    Now I am not a rules expert so I cannot speak as to if goalie interference is reviewable. It maybe it may not be. Though if it is not in the books it should be.

    So please stop all the Finland got screwed crying they did not score a legit goal to win the game.


    FACT
    Incidental contact with a toenail in the crease that takes 6 minutes to diagnose?

    Naah, but thanks anyway!

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    • Re: 2019 IIHF Women's Worlds

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      • Re: 2019 IIHF Women's Worlds

        Originally posted by Still Eeyore View Post
        And, checking the rulebook, this is not reviewable. From Page 71, Rule 99 vii:



        It mentions Rule 45 iii, which says:



        I read the section on delayed penalties, and it doesn't say anything about using video review to assess control.

        https://www.iihf.com/IIHFMvc/media/D...018_Web_v2.pdf

        So, the refs ****ed this one really badly.

        So without getting into any opinions about whether I think it was right, wrong, should have happened faster, or otherwise, I'll take a stab at what might have happened:

        Rush happens, shot on goal, Rigsby goes to cover

        Ref: Goalie was out of crease, dove into legs of Finn, that's a penal....oh crap puck in the net, GOAL!

        Corkum: We'd like to review the goal based on goaltender interference

        Ref/Review: In actuality, Rigsby was still in contact with the crease, so it was goaltender interference and the goal is disallowed. However, I was initially calling a penalty on Rigsby and that part of the play is not reviewable. Even though it was technically an incorrect call based on the video review, I still have to honor that I was going to call it if the puck had not gone in the net, thus, 2 min penalty on Rigsby

        No idea, but seems like it could be a plausible explanation for how we arrived where we did.

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          Originally posted by WIrinkrat View Post
          So without getting into any opinions about whether I think it was right, wrong, should have happened faster, or otherwise, I'll take a stab at what might have happened:

          Rush happens, shot on goal, Rigsby goes to cover

          Ref: Goalie was out of crease, dove into legs of Finn, that's a penal....oh crap puck in the net, GOAL!

          Corkum: We'd like to review the goal based on goaltender interference

          Ref/Review: In actuality, Rigsby was still in contact with the crease, so it was goaltender interference and the goal is disallowed. However, I was initially calling a penalty on Rigsby and that part of the play is not reviewable. Even though it was technically an incorrect call based on the video review, I still have to honor that I was going to call it if the puck had not gone in the net, thus, 2 min penalty on Rigsby

          No idea, but seems like it could be a plausible explanation for how we arrived where we did.
          Plausible, with one problem. Corkum can't request a review. Rule 99 i:

          i. The video-goal judge may consult with the referee only at the request
          of the referee or by request of the video-goal judge himself. He is
          consulted primarily to determine the legitimacy of a goal.
          It's possible that the video-goal judge called down himself.

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            Originally posted by Still Eeyore View Post
            Plausible, with one problem. Corkum can't request a review. Rule 99 i:



            It's possible that the video-goal judge called down himself.

            Yeah, I'm far from an IIHF rules expert, but you're right the video judge may have called down, or perhaps when Corkum requested the review, the officials discussed quickly and decided it would be best to go to video because they didn't have a definitive, uniform view of the play.

            I just can't think of another way to have gotten to that outcome and for it to have taken as long as it did. This example carries a lot of moving parts and given the gravity of the situation I can see where it would have taken a long time.

            Again, making no statements for or against what transpired, just trying to understand what could have happened.

            I will say whether or not this is how it played out, I feel like there should have been a very public explanation from the IIHF of how the process played out and a decision was reached.

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            • Re: 2019 IIHF Women's Worlds

              Yeah because they know they lost the game......ridiculous............Fins got hosed

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                At a minimum, the rules need to define what "in the crease" means. If it means that the crease extends six feet in every direction so long as you keep a toe inside the blue paint even though your momentum is going to carry you entirely outside it in less than a quarter second, that's just brutal. That's especially true in a case like this, where the collision didn't really affect the outcome of the play. Rigsby had lost contact with the puck before she ran into Hiirikoski, and there's no way she was going to be able to change direction to prevent the goal. Hiirikoski was trying to get to the rebound along the only path Bellamy left her. The correct answer can't be that she has no right to go for the puck.

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                • Re: 2019 IIHF Women's Worlds

                  Ok all you who claim she ran into the attacker are mistaken. The attacker ran her over, it was the other way around.


                  And it did effect the outcome of the play because the contact did not allow Rigsby the opportunity, even if you don't think she cold have, to react to the shot that went in the goal.


                  Goaltender interference plain and simple.


                  Oh and I agree the IIHF owe all of us a break down of the mechanics of the call.
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                  • Re: 2019 IIHF Women's Worlds

                    Originally posted by sacole13 View Post
                    Ok all you who claim she ran into the attacker are mistaken. The attacker ran her over, it was the other way around.


                    And it did effect the outcome of the play because the contact did not allow Rigsby the opportunity, even if you don't think she cold have, to react to the shot that went in the goal.


                    Goaltender interference plain and simple.


                    Oh and I agree the IIHF owe all of us a break down of the mechanics of the call.
                    The rule only applies if the goalie is in the crease, at least under IIHF rules. And the definition of "in the crease" got brutally stretched beyond all reason.

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                    • Re: 2019 IIHF Women's Worlds

                      Fromm Noora Raty Twitter
                      Replying to @JackieE28153482 @IIHFHockey and 3 others
                      IIHF RULE 185 –GOALTENDER & GOAL CREASE/GOAL ALLOWED
                      iii. An attacking skater who makes incidental contact with a goaltender out of his goal crease while both try to gain possession of the puck will not be penalized. If a goal is scored at this time, goal will count #WomensWorlds

                      Noora agrees with me, Fins got hosed, plain and simple.

                      Congrats Noora on a great game and tournament
                      But what a shame

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                        • Re: 2019 IIHF Women's Worlds

                          That statement reminds me of NCAA statement issued a day later explaining why Gopher softball was not seeded for the 2017 NCAA tournament.

                          It is such a big bummer to work so hard to make such a clever call to take away as huge of a victory as this.

                          Fins got hosed.
                          Last edited by KTDC; 04-15-2019, 09:12 AM.

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                          • Originally posted by KTDC View Post
                            That statement reminds me of NCAA statement issued a day later explaining why Gopher softball was not seeded for the 2017 NCAA tournament.

                            Fins got hosed.
                            As far as I'm concerned, if a goalie makes a play beyond her crease then she's out of her crease even if part of her foot or leg is still inside the parameters of the crease. If she makes contact with the puck or an opponent outside the crease then for the purpose of any rules interpretations she should be considered outside the crease no matter what.

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                            • Re: 2019 IIHF Women's Worlds

                              Originally posted by Still Eeyore View Post
                              The rule only applies if the goalie is in the crease, at least under IIHF rules. And the definition of "in the crease" got brutally stretched beyond all reason.
                              her foot was still in the crease.


                              provided the attacking skater makes a reasonable effort to minimize or avoid such contact. If a goal is scored at this time, it will not count. An attacking skater who makes contact other than incidental with a goaltender who is out of his goal crease during game action will be assessed a minor penalty for interference.
                              she made no effort to avoid contact, in the crease or not.
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                              • Re: 2019 IIHF Women's Worlds

                                Originally posted by KTDC View Post
                                Fromm Noora Raty Twitter
                                Replying to @JackieE28153482 @IIHFHockey and 3 others
                                IIHF RULE 185 –GOALTENDER & GOAL CREASE/GOAL ALLOWED
                                iii. An attacking skater who makes incidental contact with a goaltender out of his goal crease while both try to gain possession of the puck will not be penalized. If a goal is scored at this time, goal will count #WomensWorlds

                                Noora agrees with me, Fins got hosed, plain and simple.

                                Congrats Noora on a great game and tournament
                                But what a shame
                                It was not incidental contact
                                The Titanic only had one Captain..........
                                "You're holding your mouth wrong." Jim Cole
                                "Don't take any wooden nickels." Ray Rouse
                                9 Time World Champion Boston Red Sox ('03,'12,'15,'16,'18,2004, '07, '13, '18)

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