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    The other version I am hearing that I believe is more truth is not very promising - players werent happy with coaching this season, didnt have fun and and wanted out. Where there is smoke there is fire. The fact that 5 players left (some early), hockey ops left, lots of negativity surrounding team, etc.
    Troubling...especially because we were sold the idea that Albie has "paid his dues" and "deserves" the position. So it makes one wonder, since he has been on the staff all these years, what changed when he became head coach?

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    Troubling...especially because we were sold the idea that Albie has "paid his dues" and "deserves" the position. So it makes one wonder, since he has been on the staff all these years, what changed when he became head coach?
    I am right there with you - I was pulling for Albie as well. He seemed really well liked with players and support staff prior to being named head coach and recruited those players.

    Losing games doesnt help I am sure with morale either but other than that it seems something is causing some strife within the program currently. Maybe its just first year stuff - coach wants to implement his own style and ways of doing things....just grasping at this point.

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    The other version I am hearing that I believe is more truth is not very promising - players werent happy with coaching this season, didnt have fun and and wanted out. Where there is smoke there is fire. The fact that 5 players left (some early), hockey ops left, lots of negativity surrounding team, etc.
    I may be the eternal optimist, but I harbor some skepticism with this perspective. Of the departures, Bowers and Farabee were the only ones of real concern to me (the early departures). With Krys, Oettinger, and Fabbro all completing their degrees this summer, their departures are reasonable to my mind.

    However, even with the Farabee departure, Farabee was a first round pick and finished the season strong.

    I wonder how much of the “negativity surrounding the team” is really of our own making. While the Bowers departure is concerning, especially following a regression in his sophomore season, one player (two if you count Farabee) leaving earlier than anticipated without a strong reason plus one person moving on from their job in hockey ops doesn’t necessarily scream fire to me.

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    I wonder how much of the “negativity surrounding the team” is really of our own making. While the Bowers departure is concerning, especially following a regression in his sophomore season, one player (two if you count Farabee) leaving earlier than anticipated without a strong reason plus one person moving on from their job in hockey ops doesn’t necessarily scream fire to me.
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    I think we all can agree there's a reasonable level of concern surrounding the program given this year's results and a large amount of roster turnover. That said, concern is just that, concern. Not the sky is falling. The upcoming season will be very telling.

    Also, the staff clearly expected a large amount of roster turnover given the number of players who were recruited to come in this fall prior to these departures. I think we can include Farabee and Bowers in the category of departures the staff planned for.

    I don't think the Lackey decision is indicative of much at all.
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    I don't think the Lackey decision is indicative of much at all.
    I agree. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that at this point in time, PC is in a better place than BU. That doesn't mean the program is in shambles. For a player that is making a 1-year commitment, what matters is where the programs are right now. And PC is two games away from their second national title in 5 years.

    While I do think that there is cause for at least a little pause (more due to what I have heard than what I have seen in terms of departures), I feel that it is fixable and I am hopeful that we will rebound next season. If none of the recruits for the fall change their minds, that will certainly be a good thing.

    The TSN rankings that came out today of the top 15 have Zegras at #8. Somewhere I saw mention that our class currently ranked #2. So reason for optimism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by defkit View Post
    he TSN rankings that came out today of the top 15 have Zegras at #8. Somewhere I saw mention that our class currently ranked #2. So reason for optimism.

    He'll need to produce from the get-go next season.

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    Right now the coaching rankings in Hockey East:
    1. PC
    2. UMass
    3. Northeastern
    4. BC
    5. UML
    6. BU
    7. UNH
    8. UConn
    9. Merrimack
    10. Vermont
    11. Maine
    I have compiled every Hockey East team's season-by season record as well as the season-by-season coaching record of every HE head coach who's first season was 1984 or later (so no Coaches Ceglarski, Parker, Flaman, Holt, Riley or Stirling) for their first eight (if they lasted that long) seasons. I also compiled the combined seasonal results for every school over the past 5 and 10 seasons, plus all-time HE records. I likewise compiled each coaches combined records over their first eight or less seasons. Because three teams had first year head coaches and Coach Carvel is in just his third season the combined 5 year results can't be used for BU, UNH, MC and UMass. However, the overall standings for the past five seasons are:
    Code:
    Providence	199	123	55	21	0.671
    Boston U.       197	111	65	21	0.617
    UMass Lowell	193	109	65	19	0.614
    Northeastern	192	106	66	20	0.604
    Boston College	195	104	73	18	0.579
    Vermont	        190	79	89	22	0.474
    New Hampshire	189	67	94	28	0.429
    Maine	        187	66	100	21	0.409
    Massachusetts	186	71	105	10	0.409
    Merrimack	185	63	98	24	0.405
    Connecticut	178	60	95	23	0.402
    So, based on this it appears that Coach Leaman is indeed the best, but Coach Bazin probably should be second and Coach Madagan third, Coach York fourth, Coach Sneddon fifth, Coach Gendron sixth, and Coach Cavanaugh last, with Coaches O'Connell, Souza, Borak and Carvel getting incomplete. From what I have seen Coach Carvel looks like he will be a top level coach, but I really want to see how he does next season. That said, if you look at how each Coach has done over their first eight seasons compared to each other Coach Carvel is ninth out 27 coaches after three seasons so if I had to grade him I would probably put him third ahead of Coach Madagan.

    The team records also show that BU has been one of the best Hockey East teams (1st, 2nd or 3rd) overall, regular season, league play, HE tournament, NCAA tournament and overall postseason, with their only weak spot regular season non-conference games. Anyone interested can view the spreadsheet for themselves.

    As for players departing early, Here are the numbers of arley signings I counted on College Hockey, Inc.'s pro-signings pages for 2012-19. I have included BU's totals, as well as other team's with 5+ players leaving early and all freshman, sophomore and juniors from every team.
    2012
    BU 3
    all Fr 0
    all So 12
    all Jr 19
    total 31
    2013
    BU 1
    MN 5
    all Fr 2
    all So 6
    all Jr 23
    total 31
    2014
    BU 0
    all Fr 2
    all So 8
    all Jr 20
    total 30
    2015
    BU 2
    all Fr 6
    all So 3
    all Jr 24
    total 33
    2016
    BU 0
    BC 7
    MI 5
    UND 5
    all Fr 4
    all So 8
    all Jr 32
    total 49
    2017
    BU 4
    all Fr 7
    all So 16
    all Jr 19
    total 42
    2018
    BU 2
    DU 5
    all Fr 3
    all So 8
    all Jr 22
    total 32
    2019*
    BU 5
    all Fr 3
    all So 4
    all Jr 19
    total 26

    * does not show Shane Bowers as signed so I don't know if it is otherwise accurate. Bowers is included in the total.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sean Pickett View Post
    I have compiled every Hockey East team's season-by season record as well as the season-by-season coaching record of every HE head coach who's first season was 1984 or later (so no Coaches Ceglarski, Parker, Flaman, Holt, Riley or Stirling) for their first eight (if they lasted that long) seasons. I also compiled the combined seasonal results for every school over the past 5 and 10 seasons, plus all-time HE records. I likewise compiled each coaches combined records over their first eight or less seasons. Because three teams has first year head coaches and Coach Carvel is in just his third season the combined 5 year results can't be used for BU, UNH, MC and UMass. However, the overall standings for the past five seasons are:
    Code:
    Providence	199	123	55	21	0.671
    Boston U.       197	111	65	21	0.617
    UMass Lowell	193	109	65	19	0.614
    Northeastern	192	106	66	20	0.604
    Boston College	195	104	73	18	0.579
    Vermont	        190	79	89	22	0.474
    New Hampshire	189	67	94	28	0.429
    Maine	        187	66	100	21	0.409
    Massachusetts	186	71	105	10	0.409
    Merrimack	185	63	98	24	0.405
    Connecticut	178	60	95	23	0.402
    So, based on this it appears that Coach Leaman is indeed the best, but Coach Bazin probably should be second and Coach Madagan third, Coach York fourth, Coach Sneddon fifth, Coach Gendron sixth, and Coach Cavanaugh last, with Coaches O'Connell, Souza, Borak and Carvel getting incomplete. From what I have seen Coach Carvel looks like he will be a top level coach, but I really want to see how he does next season. That said, if you look at how each Coach has done over their first eight seasons compared to each other Coach Carvel is ninth out 27 coaches so if I had to grade him I would probably put him third ahead of Coach Madagan.

    The team records also show that BU has been one of the best Hockey East teams (1st, 2nd or 3rd) overall, regular season, league play, HE tournament, NCAA tournament and overall postseason, with their only weak spot regular season non-conference games. Anyone interested can view the spreadsheet for themselves.

    As for players departing early, Here are the numbers of arley signings I counted on College Hockey, Inc.'s pro-signings pages for 2012-19. I have included BU's totals, as well as other team's with 5+ players leaving early and all freshman, sophomore and juniors from every team.
    2012
    BU 3
    all Fr 0
    all So 12
    all Jr 19
    total 31
    2013
    BU 1
    MN 5
    all Fr 2
    all So 6
    all Jr 23
    total 31
    2014
    BU 0
    all Fr 2
    all So 8
    all Jr 20
    total 30
    2015
    BU 2
    all Fr 6
    all So 3
    all Jr 24
    total 33
    2016
    BU 0
    BC 7
    MI 5
    UND 5
    all Fr 4
    all So 8
    all Jr 32
    total 49
    2017
    BU 4
    all Fr 7
    all So 16
    all Jr 19
    total 42
    2018
    BU 2
    DU 5
    all Fr 3
    all So 8
    all Jr 22
    total 32
    2019*
    BU 5
    all Fr 3
    all So 4
    all Jr 19
    total 26

    * does not show Shane Bowers as signed so I don't know if it is otherwise accurate. Bowers is included in the total.

    Sean
    Good stuff! I seriously dont understand how Nate Leaman isnt in the NHL. He is built to coach that level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by defkit View Post
    .....Somewhere I saw mention that our class currently ranked #2. So reason for optimism.
    I think that may be NEUTRAL ZONE? I was really surprised to see Merrimack rated 7th, and wonder if that is due to quantity of recruits or quality of recruits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemonade View Post
    Good stuff! I seriously dont understand how Nate Leaman isnt in the NHL. He is built to coach that level.
    I think there's a very small number of jobs that he would seriously consider taking, and apparently none have opened up. The Bruins come to mind immediately, but of course that job doesn't appear that it'll be open anytime soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RENCEB View Post
    I think that may be NEUTRAL ZONE? I was really surprised to see Merrimack rated 7th, and wonder if that is due to quantity of recruits or quality of recruits.
    Neutral Zone's rankings are famously biased towards quantity. UConn had the #1 class last summer for example and it got them nowhere fast, although it did turn out to be a pretty good group with Vomacka, Iskhakov, Kondelik, and 10 defensemen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brassbonanza View Post
    I think there's a very small number of jobs that he would seriously consider taking, and apparently none have opened up. The Bruins come to mind immediately, but of course that job doesn't appear that it'll be open anytime soon.
    Maybe, but people thought that about Quinn too. If somebody throws a 5 year, 12M guaranteed deal at Leaman's feet the dude is going to take it unless he's completely insane. No offense to the City Of Buddy Cianci but he ain't making 12M bucks in 5 years coaching college hockey.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rover View Post
    Maybe, but people thought that about Quinn too. If somebody throws a 5 year, 12M guaranteed deal at Leaman's feet the dude is going to take it unless he's completely insane. No offense to the City Of Buddy Cianci but he ain't making 12M bucks in 5 years coaching college hockey.
    Right, and I would think that if Leaman got the same offer that Quinn got last year, he'd very likely take it. A big-market Original 6 team throwing $12M guaranteed, I'd be shocked if Leaman didn't accept. That NYR job and the Bruins one I floated would be two that fall in the "very small number of jobs" category. Also don't forget that DQ also turned down at least one prior offer from NYR as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brassbonanza View Post
    Right, and I would think that if Leaman got the same offer that Quinn got last year, he'd very likely take it. A big-market Original 6 team throwing $12M guaranteed, I'd be shocked if Leaman didn't accept. That NYR job and the Bruins one I floated would be two that fall in the "very small number of jobs" category. Also don't forget that DQ also turned down at least one prior offer from NYR as well.
    Gotta think that Buffalo with GM Jason Botterill and assistant GM Steve Greeley will be inquiring about Leaman's interest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogie21 View Post
    Gotta think that Buffalo with GM Jason Botterill and assistant GM Steve Greeley will be inquiring about Leaman's interest.
    You got to wonder how much PC associate HC Ron Rolston's experience as Head Coach with the Sabres will hurt that....
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    I agree. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that at this point in time, PC is in a better place than BU.
    Crap. No wonder I didn't get it. I majored in rocket science but changed my major...
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    A couple quick comments on the x-Terriers:

    - Congrats to Fabbro on his first NHL goal. What a snipe.
    - Bobo also got his first pro goal in the AHL.
    - Nice season by Chiasson, setting career highs. Edmonton is a mess, will be interesting to see if they re-sign him, or if he even decides to entertain other offers, that I expect will be coming after his 22-goal season.
    - And speaking of 22-goal seasons for teams that are a mess, I have to admit that Brady Tkachuk far exceeded what I thought he was capable of at this age. He ended up as the third leading scorer on the team (45-points), and goal-scoring leader.
    - Eichel finally had a (relatively) injury free year and ended with 82 points. We'll see if the Sabres can keep the momentum for a whole season next year. E-Rod chipped in with 29 points.
    - I was surprised to see that Keller still led the Coyotes in scoring, with 47 points. He really cooled off in the second half after being names to the All-Star team. He only had 3 goals since January 20th.
    - For the Bruins, McAvoy had a tough first half but returned to form in the second half and finished with 28 points, finishing only behind Krug for d-men. Grzelcyk had a heck of a season, cementing his spot as a regular with his great stickwork and skating. He chipped in 18 points. JFK spent most of the year in Providence, and Charlie Coyle provided much needed stability to the third line (though I think he only had 2 goals post trade).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemonade View Post
    I think so. Honestly going to PC is a no brainer for Lackey IMO. I am sure he has aspirations to play professionally after school and PC will be a much better team than BU next season so his chances of receiving a pro deal is better given the PC route. Lackey is looking at 1 season only. PC plays a defensive game in a tight rink = much better for goalie and goalie stats.
    You know the scouts actually watch the games and not just look at the stats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by defkit View Post
    A couple quick comments on the x-Terriers:

    - Congrats to Fabbro on his first NHL goal. What a snipe.
    - Bobo also got his first pro goal in the AHL.
    - Nice season by Chiasson, setting career highs. Edmonton is a mess, will be interesting to see if they re-sign him, or if he even decides to entertain other offers, that I expect will be coming after his 22-goal season.
    - And speaking of 22-goal seasons for teams that are a mess, I have to admit that Brady Tkachuk far exceeded what I thought he was capable of at this age. He ended up as the third leading scorer on the team (45-points), and goal-scoring leader.
    - Eichel finally had a (relatively) injury free year and ended with 82 points. We'll see if the Sabres can keep the momentum for a whole season next year. E-Rod chipped in with 29 points.
    - I was surprised to see that Keller still led the Coyotes in scoring, with 47 points. He really cooled off in the second half after being names to the All-Star team. He only had 3 goals since January 20th.
    - For the Bruins, McAvoy had a tough first half but returned to form in the second half and finished with 28 points, finishing only behind Krug for d-men. Grzelcyk had a heck of a season, cementing his spot as a regular with his great stickwork and skating. He chipped in 18 points. JFK spent most of the year in Providence, and Charlie Coyle provided much needed stability to the third line (though I think he only had 2 goals post trade).
    I love watching Grzelcyk play. His value was evident when he was out recently. Will be interesting to see if the Bruins believe he can elevate his offensive output. Krug is a defensive train wreck and a more offensive minded Grizz might make Krug expendable.

    Similarly, I really like Coyle’s game and hope it is a difference maker in the playoffs. Wish he, like Grizz, would look for more offensive opportunity.

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