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    On the non off side call! In my view it was not offsides. Clarkson moves the puck diagonally in the neutral zone to a cutting player who straddles the blue while keeping his back skate behind the blue line as the the puck deflects of his stick. The puck enters the zone before his back skate so it is ON sides.

    On another play in the same sequence, Brousseau poke checks the puck back in Cornell's D zone but both Clarkson "touch up" getting them back on sides.

    It is a clear goal by Clarkson players hammering home the centering feed/pass with forehand hand (left hand) One cannot ramped up and with force a shot like that with a kick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joecct View Post
    made it a link and the video doesn't show the line call.
    He first asked for a video of the goal. So there it is.....

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    On a note not as controversial..what a great weekend of hockey culminated with an awesome final. Cornell and Clarkson proved to be the best of the ECAC. Although I would but Quinnipiac up there but we will never know. I thought Cornell was slightly the better team overall but Clarkson wins and that's all that counts. Like I stated, earlier, Clarkson's D's and their structure were very good. Their best players were their best players in Kielly and Sturm. Kielly reads the plays so well and helps himself with poke checks on unsuspecting incoming players and playing pucks out of danger. Their are strong on their sticks and body. They are almost always on the right side of the puck and when not they recover very well. They will do well in the Dance because of these traits.

    Cornell will do well as well. Only question is? Do they have the scoring and also if falling behind, can they generate that necessary offense to catch up? There is absolutely no doubt they they can play and protect with the lead.

    Clarkson, Cornell, Quinnipiac, and Harvard...go ahead and represent the ECAC well! Good luck to all four and especially to IVIES!

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    The play that resulted in the winning goal should have been blown dead for offsides. The puck is poke-checked into the Cornell zone and is touched by a Clarkson player beyond the blueline. Then the puck is chipped back out of the zone by Cornell for a split second and then carried back into the zone by Clarkson. This makes it so that that first instance of offsides was no longer reviewable, but let's be clear: the winning play should never have happened.

    This game saw many other totally botched calls. Cornell was the beneficiary of a couple, but Clarkson was the beneficiary of many more. Clarkson scored goals on two Cornell penalties, at least one of which was absolutely not a penalty. There was a moment when Cam Donaldson had a breakaway after sticking the puck down from the air, and the refs called it a high-stick even though it wasn't even close.

    To the bumblers on this thread whose critical thinking skills can muster nothing more than "Cornell fans complaining about the refs LOLOLOL," I want to be clear that the ECAC refs are generally awful, they do not favor one team over another, and on any given night they are making calls largely at random. Sometimes Cornell benefits, sometimes they don't. Same as any other team. It just sucks that in this instance it cost them the ECAC Championship.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CornellFan13 View Post
    The play that resulted in the winning goal should have been blown dead for offsides. This is not debatable when you look at the replay. The puck is poke-checked into the Cornell zone while a Clarkson player is clearly beyond the blueline. Then the puck is chipped back out of the zone by Cornell for a split second and then carried back into the zone by Clarkson. This makes it so that that first instance of offsides was no longer reviewable, but let's be clear: the winning play should never have happened.



    This game saw many other totally botched calls. Cornell was the beneficiary of a couple, but Clarkson was the beneficiary of many more. Clarkson scored goals on two Cornell penalties, at least one of which was absolutely not a penalty. There was a moment when Cam Donaldson had a breakaway after sticking the puck down from the air, and the refs called it a high-stick even though it wasn't even close.

    To the bumblers on this thread whose critical thinking skills can muster nothing more than "Cornell fans complaining about the refs LOLOLOL," I want to be clear that the ECAC refs are generally awful, they do not favor one team over another, and on any given night they are making calls largely at random. Sometimes Cornell benefits, sometimes they don't. Same as any other team. It just sucks that in this instance it cost them the ECAC Championship.
    I would have to disagree and I am not a Big Red bashed but rather a avid Ivy then ECAC fan. Brosseau while just outside of blue line poke checks the puck while two Clarkson players are tagging up. The key here is these players are making no play on the puck so the refs are correct in letting the play continue. This is not like the old days where a whistle occurs at every touch on a off sides. You fail to point out this key point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BIG Green View Post
    I would have to disagree and I am not a Big Red bashed but rather a avid Ivy then ECAC fan. Brosseau while just outside of blue line poke checks the puck while two Clarkson players are tagging up. The key here is these players are making no play on the puck so the refs are correct in letting the play continue. This is not like the old days where a whistle occurs at every touch on a off sides. You fail to point out this key point.
    I do not believe this is anywhere in the rulebook. Can you provide proof that this is the rule?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CornellFan13 View Post
    I do not believe this is anywhere in the rulebook. Can you provide proof that this is the rule?
    Tag up offside? Been there for a while. The key is all 6 CCT have to be in the neutral zone before reentering

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    Sorry, I misunderstood the above--I believe one of the tagging up Clarkson players *touches the puck* which it is still in the Cornell zone. You can't see it in the above-posted replay but that was the understanding of the announcers/coaches. I am fairly certain that if it touches anyone on Clarkson inside the Cornell zone, *even incidentally* as they are tagging up, the play should be whistled dead. I've edited my initial post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CornellFan13 View Post
    Sorry, I misunderstood the above--I believe one of the tagging up Clarkson players *touches the puck* which it is still in the Cornell zone. You can't see it in the above-posted replay but that was the understanding of the announcers/coaches. I am fairly certain that if it touches anyone on Clarkson inside the Cornell zone, *even incidentally* as they are tagging up, the play should be whistled dead. I've edited my initial post.
    That's true, but the ESPN- camera didn't catch it if it happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CornellFan13 View Post
    Sorry, I misunderstood the above--I believe one of the tagging up Clarkson players *touches the puck* which it is still in the Cornell zone. You can't see it in the above-posted replay but that was the understanding of the announcers/coaches. I am fairly certain that if it touches anyone on Clarkson inside the Cornell zone, *even incidentally* as they are tagging up, the play should be whistled dead. I've edited my initial post.
    You cannot tell on replay but looks like #21 of Clarkson does not attempt to play the puck while clearing the zone. Besides the linesman will bark out loudly “off” “off” informing both teams especially Clarkson who if he does touch it will be a face off in Clarkson’s D zone, thus penalizing Clarkson for touching the puck.

    As for the announcers, I think they are referring to either the original play getting into the zone or this play where they clearly see that Clarkson is in an off side position but make no mention of , not playing the puck and clearing the zone which would nullify the off side.

    Look I get it as as Big Red fan, as a college hockey fan let’s move on and congratulate both teams on a great game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BIG Green View Post
    You cannot tell on replay but looks like #21 of Clarkson does not attempt to play the puck while clearing the zone. Besides the linesman will bark out loudly “off” “off” informing both teams especially Clarkson who if he does touch it will be a face off in Clarkson’s D zone, thus penalizing Clarkson for touching the puck.

    As for the announcers, I think they are referring to either the original play getting into the zone or this play where they clearly see that Clarkson is in an off side position but make no mention of , not playing the puck and clearing the zone which would nullify the off side.

    Look I get it as as Big Red fan, as a college hockey fan let’s move on and congratulate both teams on a great game.
    To me only one announcer was barking on the offsides. That announcer seems to be a CORNELL HOMER! (One Topher Scott Cornell '08) Bottom line its over. Move on. If it was a blown call can't change it. They reviewed offside per rule book and didn't find conclusive evidence of the crime.

    One thing I wonder, is Schaffer hinting at stepping down? (watch presser).

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    Quote Originally Posted by wildcatcard View Post
    To me only one announcer was barking on the offsides. That announcer seems to be a CORNELL HOMER! (One Topher Scott Cornell '08) Bottom line its over. Move on. If it was a blown call can't change it. They reviewed offside per rule book and didn't find conclusive evidence of the crime.

    One thing I wonder, is Schaffer hinting at stepping down? (watch presser).
    I didn't watch the presser but i saw most all of his remarks quoted, if you referring to his remarks about "i have to decide if i wan't to keep being a college hockey coach or not," i think he meant he had to choose his words wisely about the ECAC officiating, and the choices the refs made in this game about the net falling on his goalie. Because what he really wanted to say probably would cast a poor light on the ECAC and possibly Cornell... That was kind of my interpretation, I could be way off..

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    Quote Originally Posted by wildcatcard View Post

    One thing I wonder, is Schaffer hinting at stepping down? (watch presser).
    Where are you able to see it? Would like to watch it. Can't find it on youtube.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CLKHockey View Post
    Where are you able to see it? Would like to watch it. Can't find it on youtube.
    Saw it live.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wildcatcard View Post
    Saw it live.
    Oh neat, we were in the Clarkson hospitality room getting ready to drink champagne out of the trophy with the boys lol..missed it. it will pop up on youtube eventually.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CLKHockey View Post
    I didn't watch the presser but i saw most all of his remarks quoted, if you referring to his remarks about "i have to decide if i wan't to keep being a college hockey coach or not," i think he meant he had to choose his words wisely about the ECAC officiating, and the choices the refs made in this game about the net falling on his goalie. Because what he really wanted to say probably would cast a poor light on the ECAC and possibly Cornell... That was kind of my interpretation, I could be way off..
    That was Mike biting his tongue... rather hard.
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    Watched the games over the weekend on ESPN. They were entertaining. It looked like a great crowd. Was it a full house? I use to go to LP as a kid. Did they knock down the old rink and rebuild or is it the same barn?
    Go Pioneers!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MagnessMan View Post
    Watched the games over the weekend on ESPN. They were entertaining. It looked like a great crowd. Was it a full house? I use to go to LP as a kid. Did they knock down the old rink and rebuild or is it the same barn?
    Depends on how old you are I guess... they play in the HB 1980 Rink which opened in 1979... It was a decent crowd but honestly I thought there would be more for the championship game.. I think I read there was a reported 5,700 in attendance. So about 75% full.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BIG Green View Post
    I would have to disagree and I am not a Big Red bashed but rather a avid Ivy then ECAC fan. Brosseau while just outside of blue line poke checks the puck while two Clarkson players are tagging up. The key here is these players are making no play on the puck so the refs are correct in letting the play continue. This is not like the old days where a whistle occurs at every touch on a off sides.
    Thanks for this explanation. It's in accord with what I have read in other analyses.

    I've always respected Clarkson and really enjoy watching them play now with Jones and Brekke -- it's like a scrimmage. That was an outstanding final, exciting throughout, with much ebb and flow. The Malott and Galajda injuries certainly take some of the shine off the game, but neither was the fault of Clarkson who played an outstanding game. If the early penalties were weak we still could have killed them. The Golden Knighs deserve full credit for executing to the situation they were given; that is all one can ask (Cornell was in the same position the prior night against Brown).

    The teams are now 1-1-1 in three meetings. Let's settle it with one more in Buffalo. Good luck to Clarkson and to all the ECAC teams in the NC$$.
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    As for the Cornell goalie and the net. I have talked to division 1 college referees not the ones that reffed the game but other ones and the reason the whistle was never blown was because even the goalie was trapped under the net was because the net was still on the pegs. Although I am going to ask the question that's the 800lb gorilla in the room is will the tournament be returning to lake placid as the contract expired with this years tournament. I personally believe that the tournament should stay right where it is I believe they have found a home for the tournament in lake placid. This years attendance figures for the weekend was 15,300 which if you go back in attendance numbers sense them and Hockey East split for the 1993 title was the third best numbers they have had behind the 1999 (Lake Placid) tournament which had five games and 2003 (Albany) which had 4 games. So if you wanna look it with numbers of games this was best year that they have had not to mention the atmosphere in Placid is so nice to go with the tournament. Seeing all the fans of different teams walking around town all weekend. When the tournament was in Albany

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