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    Yup. Career BA 0.220 and OPS 0.533, which would be significant upgrades over some current players on the Sox.

    But, back to UNH alums on the ice again tonight with their "team of destiny." :-)
    Nice segment about Warren Foegel before game tonight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by msprice View Post
    Nice segment about Warren Foegel before game tonight.
    Good getting this thread back on track, msprice. :-)

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    "UNH South" up 3 games to zip.

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    It's fun watching guys like Pesce and Foegele playing honest-to-goodness prominent roles in their team's success, and not just as spare parts guys. And with all due respect to TvR, that's what he was when he won in Chicago, and he wasn't nearly the factor in Carolina's back six rotation before his injury.

    The Foegele thing is mind-blowing, though. A least on the level of how two separate "organizations" came to different decisions on two highly touted forwards who entered UNH in the same class. Foegele was younger by two years, so I suppose that might have been the determining factor for a guy like Umile, who had traditionally put a premium on the value of older players, sometimes at the expense of younger (arguably better?) players? Both left UNH in their soph seasons, under much different circumstances, with the older Poturalski getting a two year head start with Charlotte, and Foegele going to play in the OHL.

    That Foegele pulled even in his first (only) season in the AHL, and has now established himself as a key contributor in the NHL playoffs, while Poturalski is still wallowing in the AHL, hardly makes the argument in favor of the quality of coaching on display in the latter years of the Umile Era.

    It feels a little disingenuous to take "credit" for Foegele's success since he barely made a ripple at UNH while he was here, though. Not his fault - but certainly a case of "we hardly knew ye, Warren"
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    TVR was not a spare part but integral to success for Carolina. You may have watched the games, but we probably saw it through different lenses before he got hurt. He was terrific in moving and clearing the puck for the first series and until hurt in second series.







    You are correct that Foegele was going to be a great player and UNH probably had little to do with his pro career. It took him a little longer than expected but he is now a legit future star in the NHL. I believe he is 23 and Pesce is the real deal and is among the best ever coming from UNH. He is among the best defensemen in the NHL.

    Poturalski will eventually make it to the NHL as a top 6 forward. I am surprised that they did not call him up just to be on the power play, as he is a great skater and has a great shot. He played on the 4th line full strength last year and on first power play. He played in the top 6 this year and I do not believe they are giving up on him. While watching him play in CT vs Rangers AHL team, he was the best skater on the ice especially on power plays. As you say, he may be on another team next season but I honestly think he will be in the NHL soon. Poturalski had leg problems in his late teens early 20's and that is why he came to UNH older than expected. He had 60+ pts in USHL on a decent team.

    Thanks for the hockey chat Chuck

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    I have been watching a lot of the Carolina games this year mostly for the group of UNH players in their system. Foegele had a very interesting season where he started off hot on the offense and moved up to the second line for a stretch of 5-7 games. After the hot start his offense fell way off and it caused him to slip down the lineup to 4th line duty where he stayed until the playoffs. The part that impressed me is that when he lost his offensive streak he started showing some great two way playing skills that made him a key piece of their penalty kill. This also kept him from being in the rotation of 4th liners who were healthy scratches 1 out of every 3 games. At the end of the season he got hot on the scoring and adding in a few injuries and now he is back in the top 6 again. It is great to see him adapt to the roles the team needed to fill and that should lead to him being a solid NHL level player going forward.

    Jumping to Poturalski, it was said here by someone (Dan, Chuck, or both) that his skill set really doesn't play well to being a bottom 6 forward at the NHL level. Where Carolina has a pretty good top 6 I can see why he has not made the jump yet, honestly I think he would have been the next call up if they had lost another forward to injury. Unlike some I have not seen him play since he left UNH but it sounds like he is on the edge of getting to the big show. I would not be surprised to see him end up with another team next year, my guess would be a team that is having cap problems looking for a cheap scoring option. It would be a bit of a gamble but not an unreasonable one.
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    Chuck

    TVR was not a spare part but integral to success for Carolina. You may have watched the games, but we probably saw it through different lenses before he got hurt. He was terrific in moving and clearing the puck for the first series and until hurt in second series.

    You are correct that Foegele was going to be a great player and UNH probably had little to do with his pro career. It took him a little longer than expected but he is now a legit future star in the NHL. I believe he is 23 and Pesce is the real deal and is among the best ever coming from UNH. He is among the best defensemen in the NHL.

    Poturalski will eventually make it to the NHL as a top 6 forward. I am surprised that they did not call him up just to be on the power play, as he is a great skater and has a great shot. He played on the 4th line full strength last year and on first power play. He played in the top 6 this year and I do not believe they are giving up on him. While watching him play in CT vs Rangers AHL team, he was the best skater on the ice especially on power plays. As you say, he may be on another team next season but I honestly think he will be in the NHL soon. Poturalski had leg problems in his late teens early 20's and that is why he came to UNH older than expected. He had 60+ pts in USHL on a decent team.

    Thanks for the hockey chat Chuck
    It wasn't meant as a swipe at TVR, '32. But he's not on one of the two top pairings, nor was he in Chicago. He's enjoyed a more prominent role in Carolina, but he's still a 3rd pairing guy. Pesce is getting top (and tough) minutes against the best players on the opposing teams. Yes, he is the real deal. Arguably already the second best NHL defenseman ever from UNH, behind a guy who won two Norris Trophies (Langway).

    There are no two ways about it, Pesce is the goods. Maybe the first clue should have been how well he handled taking on the top pairing time at UNH when the other guys left/graduated.

    I've said it before, and I'll say it again … Poturalski CAN be an NHL player, but unless/until he develops a two way game, he's stuck between being not good enough to play a top six role on a good team, and not defensively responsible enough to make himself a role on the other two lines - again, with a good NHL team. Frankly, the kind of team AP could probably walk into at this very moment is my Red Wings. Or at least until they hired Yzerman, perhaps? He can be serviceable at the NHL level but once his team gets good, he's out the door. Mark Mowers comes to mind as a guy with a similar skill set coming out of UNH. Great D-1 offensive skills, but small and limited defensively.

    You can't compare AP to a guy like Daniel Winnik, who could play the body and developed a strong checking game to fill out a bottom six roster slot for a lot of (mostly mediocre) teams over a lot of years.

    That is not meant to bash AP, or even TvR. It's just an objective take on both of them, and I know it bothers a lot of you when I share similar thoughts on JvR. Foegele could develop to that level someday, and most of us would think that's a great outcome for him … and it probably would be. The only difference between the two is that one was drafted #2 overall, and the other was drafted in the 3rd round. On that front, it's all about expectations ...
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    Pastrnak is trash this series. More infuriating than anything is that he was likely WASTED and hurt it in a g**** parking garage and not even in a game or practice. Total nonsense.

    I sure hope he doesn't have a drinking problem....
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    Quote Originally Posted by e.cat View Post
    Do you still stand by your assessment of Pasta?
    B's PP absolutely stinks tonight. Horrible!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snively65 View Post
    B's PP absolutely stinks tonight. Horrible!!
    Yup.

    Nice save by 2 u's 2 k's Rask tho

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    Quote Originally Posted by e.cat View Post
    Yup.

    Nice save by 2 u's 2 k's Rask tho
    Pastrnak is horrendous!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snively65 View Post
    Pastrnak is horrendous!
    No "I" in team! Or Pasta for that matter!

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    Quote Originally Posted by e.cat View Post
    No "I" in team! Or Pasta for that matter!
    There is an "I" in Linguine tho

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    Re: UNH Wildcats 2019 Offseason - How Much Progress Did We Really Make This Past Seas

    To get back on thread, the Brown Bears are returning to the Whitt on 4 January 2020, and without a NRN as a reason. :-)

    Edit: ok, better third period for Pastrnak and his linemates.

    But, back to UNH schedule in 2019-2020. I just learned that the Cats will be visiting Bentley's "new" arena on 18 October. If anyone is interested in a guided pre-game tour of Waltham's finer drinking and eating establishments on Main and Moody Streets, my services will be available. :-)
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    But, back to UNH schedule in 2019-2020. I just learned that the Cats will be visiting Bentley's "new" arena on 18 October. If anyone is interested in a guided pre-game tour of Waltham's finer drinking and eating establishments on Main and Moody Streets, my services will be available. :-)
    It's been over 35 years now, I'd probably get lost trying to find the old places
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snively65 View Post
    To get back on thread, the Brown Bears are returning to the Whitt on 4 January 2020, and without a NRN as a reason. :-)

    Edit: ok, better third period for Pastrnak and his linemates.

    But, back to UNH schedule in 2019-2020. I just learned that the Cats will be visiting Bentley's "new" arena on 18 October. If anyone is interested in a guided pre-game tour of Waltham's finer drinking and eating establishments on Main and Moody Streets, my services will be available. :-)
    Count me in sir!!! Looking forward to seeing this new arena and the fine establishments in the area!

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    How 'bout those Hurricanes? Congrats to the boys of "UNH South"
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    Quote Originally Posted by UNH1932 View Post
    Chuck

    TVR was not a spare part but integral to success for Carolina. You may have watched the games, but we probably saw it through different lenses before he got hurt. He was terrific in moving and clearing the puck for the first series and until hurt in second series.







    You are correct that Foegele was going to be a great player and UNH probably had little to do with his pro career. It took him a little longer than expected but he is now a legit future star in the NHL. I believe he is 23 and Pesce is the real deal and is among the best ever coming from UNH. He is among the best defensemen in the NHL.

    Poturalski will eventually make it to the NHL as a top 6 forward. I am surprised that they did not call him up just to be on the power play, as he is a great skater and has a great shot. He played on the 4th line full strength last year and on first power play. He played in the top 6 this year and I do not believe they are giving up on him. While watching him play in CT vs Rangers AHL team, he was the best skater on the ice especially on power plays. As you say, he may be on another team next season but I honestly think he will be in the NHL soon. Poturalski had leg problems in his late teens early 20's and that is why he came to UNH older than expected. He had 60+ pts in USHL on a decent team.

    Thanks for the hockey chat Chuck
    I agree with 32 on TvR's role on the Canes. Kinda hard to crack the top four blueliners when they are Slavin, Hamilton, Faulk, and Pesce, probably the top two D pairs in the NHL this season. But, TvR (78 games, 3+11=14 pts) and de Hann (74 games, 1+13=14 points) may have been the best third D pair in the NHL.

    Nice sweep of the Isles tonight.

    Chuck, no tribute from you yet for Red Kelly?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snively65 View Post
    I agree with 32 on TvR's role on the Canes. Kinda hard to crack the top four blueliners when they are Slavin, Hamilton, Faulk, and Pesce, probably the top two D pairs in the NHL this season. But, TvR (78 games, 3+11=14 pts) and de Hann (74 games, 1+13=14 points) may have been the best third D pair in the NHL.

    Nice sweep of the Isles tonight.

    Chuck, no tribute from you yet for Red Kelly?
    No one was calling Gary Doak a key cog in the B's defensive corps back in the Bobby Orr or Brad Park eras.

    You can be getting regular ice time, but 3rd pairing is 3rd pairing. Lesser among equals. That's all I'm saying.

    Yeah, it's been a tough few months for the DRW Alumni Association. First Ted Lindsay, now Red Kelly, and of course not that long ago, it was good ol' #9 himself too. Kelly retired as a player before I had any recollection of him playing (and he left DRW before I was born), but my memory of him was as the head coach in Toronto in the mid-'70's, one year in which his team took the defending Cup champion Flyers to 7 games when he was using some bizarre "pyramid power" schtick to offset the Broad St. Bullies.

    I did see the following from Stan Fischler yesterday (linked below), where he makes the case for Red as the progenitor of Bobby Orr, and perhaps the most unique superstar in the long history of the NHL, being in the midst of two dynasties (DRW in the '50's as a defenseman, then with Toronto in the '60's as a center, winning 4 Cups apiece at each destination). I never saw the guy, and footage of his DRW days is limited and grainy, but he was apparently the goods. And he wore #4, which is a go-to number for elite all-time great defensemen.

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