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    Fire Greg Shepherd, WCHA officiating the laughing stock of NCAA Divison 1 Hockey

    It was bad all year, then they take it to new levels during the playoffs.

    Penalty shot for a BG player with hardly any contact.

    I hope the athletic directors and coaches of the WCHA demand a meeting to end his reign.

    His department and group of officials is a joke to the NCAA division 1 hockey players.

    Go for unpaid volunteers at this point. They could not do any worse.

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    Re: Fire Greg Shepherd, WCHA officiating the laughing stock of NCAA Divison 1 Hockey

    Big Ten reffing is pathetic, too.

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    100% agree, the reffing is beyond embarrassing, the league should be absolutely ashamed of the quality of the reffing.
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    Re: Fire Greg Shepherd, WCHA officiating the laughing stock of NCAA Divison 1 Hockey

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonin21 View Post
    Big Ten reffing is pathetic, too.
    I agree with this as well..

    Quote Originally Posted by bose301s View Post
    100% agree, the reffing is beyond embarrassing, the league should be absolutely ashamed of the quality of the reffing.
    Shep and his refs have sucked for years. Time to go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huskiefan906 View Post
    It was bad all year, then they take it to new levels during the playoffs.

    Penalty shot for a BG player with hardly any contact.

    I hope the athletic directors and coaches of the WCHA demand a meeting to end his reign.

    His department and group of officials is a joke to the NCAA division 1 hockey players.

    Go for unpaid volunteers at this point. They could not do any worse.
    That's the call you're upset about? How about all the **** after the whistle that went uncalled? Or the hits from behind? There was a hell of a lot of "looking the other way" to keep that game as close as it was.

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    Re: Fire Greg Shepherd, WCHA officiating the laughing stock of NCAA Divison 1 Hockey

    Shepherd and his minions have been dogsh#t for a decade+. One of the few benefits of the big ten forming is that Greg and his bro no longer do badger games.

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    So if we fire all the officials, where do we pull the replacement guys from? Local PeeWee leagues?

    Also, what did the officials do wrong on the plays in question? Were they out of position? Was an interpretation of a rule wrong? Explain to me what they did wrong in detail...

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    And for the record, I do know exactly what these guys go through because I'm currently working my way up as an NCAA Baseball official. I also personally know guys working D-1 Football, Baseball, Softball, and Women's Basketball along with people working D-II/III, NJCAA, and NAIA in those same sports in addition to adding Men's Bouncy, Lax, and Wrestling. As a "small college" official, the resources and accountability placed on myself is insane. D-I in any sport takes my level of dedication and goes to 11. But yea, Joe Schmoe on the internets is going to talk like he's Billy Badass on the subject
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    Re: Fire Greg Shepherd, WCHA officiating the laughing stock of NCAA Divison 1 Hockey

    Fans cry about officials in Mites. They whine about officials in Juniors. They gripe about high school officials. They yell about refs in the minor leagues and they rant and rave about NHL officials. Someone please explain where the WCHA can find officials the losing team wonít complain about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davyd83 View Post
    Fans cry about officials in Mites. They whine about officials in Juniors. They gripe about high school officials. They yell about refs in the minor leagues and they rant and rave about NHL officials. Someone please explain where the WCHA can find officials the losing team wonít complain about.
    You are correct. Fans will complain about officials at every level. But I don't think this is just because Tech lost. BGSU was the better team and deserved to win. It is more a case of the inconsistency and the officials losing control of the game. I do not know the details of how he got injured, but I suspect Baylis would not be out for the season if the officials did a better job. The scrum at the end of Game 1 would not have happened.

    As for a couple calls that I questioned, they are Polglaze getting 5 +game on Friday night for a questionable checking from behind. From what I saw watching Flo, it appeared that the BG player initiated the contact as much as Polglaze did. I'd like to hear the explanation on that one.

    Another call I questioned was the penalty shot on Saturday. I have always been of the understanding that a penalty shot is to restore a lost scoring opportunity. The BG player was able to get a shot off that Jurusik had to make a save on. That to me is not worthy of a penalty shot. A minor was even questionable on that play but I would not have argued one if I was standing behind the bench.

    And I'll admit I'm no expert on the subject. I've only spent 20 years officiating (none over the HS and Midget AAA level and not for the last 15 years) so I'd like you to take my comments in perspective and give me a break.

    Good luck to the four teams remaining. Even though my favourite team has been eliminated, there is plenty of good hockey to watch in the next few weeks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pdt1081 View Post
    That's the call you're upset about? How about all the **** after the whistle that went uncalled? Or the hits from behind? There was a hell of a lot of "looking the other way" to keep that game as close as it was.
    You're right, BG are cheapshot artists and hit from behind all weekend.
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    Re: Fire Greg Shepherd, WCHA officiating the laughing stock of NCAA Divison 1 Hockey

    I have friends in CA that are tight with the CHL. While people always complain about officiating, it's really not an issue there. I watch MANY NHL games per week and officiating isn't much of an issue there either.

    The NCAA officiating has always been horseschitt, at least what I've seen in the WCHA and now the Big 6 + 1. But the NCAA doesn't care about hockey anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MTUHuskies View Post
    You are correct. Fans will complain about officials at every level. But I don't think this is just because Tech lost. BGSU was the better team and deserved to win. It is more a case of the inconsistency and the officials losing control of the game. I do not know the details of how he got injured, but I suspect Baylis would not be out for the season if the officials did a better job. The scrum at the end of Game 1 would not have happened.

    As for a couple calls that I questioned, they are Polglaze getting 5 +game on Friday night for a questionable checking from behind. From what I saw watching Flo, it appeared that the BG player initiated the contact as much as Polglaze did. I'd like to hear the explanation on that one.

    Another call I questioned was the penalty shot on Saturday. I have always been of the understanding that a penalty shot is to restore a lost scoring opportunity. The BG player was able to get a shot off that Jurusik had to make a save on. That to me is not worthy of a penalty shot. A minor was even questionable on that play but I would not have argued one if I was standing behind the bench.

    And I'll admit I'm no expert on the subject. I've only spent 20 years officiating (none over the HS and Midget AAA level and not for the last 15 years) so I'd like you to take my comments in perspective and give me a break.

    Good luck to the four teams remaining. Even though my favourite team has been eliminated, there is plenty of good hockey to watch in the next few weeks.

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    I didnít see a lick of that series but on one hand you said they let the series get out of control, yet you complained they handed out an unwarranted 5 + game... so you wanted them to call things tighter and send the message that safety was important, except for when they did?

    And the definition is a penalty shot is awarded when a clear scoring opportunity is lost on a breakaway; I guess maybe that is up to interpretation but I feel like you can lose a clear scoring opportunity and still get a shot off; in other words just bc someone shoots doesnít mean they now shouldnít get a penalty shot.

    I agree that while everyone complains about officiating, there arenít just legions of officials that are really good and qualified and fans would want calling the games and leagues from the pros, college, juniors, high school and down to youth are just refusing to hire despite them wanting to officiate. However there may be a great number that are sick of being booed and heckled and swore at and threatened and called out byname on Internet forums. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions and can say what they want but the officials you see are the best that league can currently muster up so complaining about them could potentially cause some to quit and weaken the pool.

    Just food for thought...

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    Quote Originally Posted by bose301s View Post
    You're right, BG are cheapshot artists and hit from behind all weekend.
    In other words, "My guy is a tough, physical, hard-nosed hockey player. Your guy is a goon who runs the goalie."

    How close am I?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TalonsUpPuckDown View Post
    In other words, "My guy is a tough, physical, hard-nosed hockey player. Your guy is a goon who runs the goalie."
    Says every hockey fan ever.

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    BG is highly penalized. Stats donít lie. But Tech got 10 power plays this weekend and only converted on one of them. Donít like how BG is playing? Make them pay for it on special teams.

    Tech was outscored 9-4 this weekend and outshot 76-52. Refs are an easy excuse for being outplayed.

    Iím consistently baffled that fans expect perfection from part time referees (who are glorified volunteers).

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    Quote Originally Posted by SCSU Euro View Post
    I didnít see a lick of that series but on one hand you said they let the series get out of control, yet you complained they handed out an unwarranted 5 + game... so you wanted them to call things tighter and send the message that safety was important, except for when they did?

    And the definition is a penalty shot is awarded when a clear scoring opportunity is lost on a breakaway; I guess maybe that is up to interpretation but I feel like you can lose a clear scoring opportunity and still get a shot off; in other words just bc someone shoots doesnít mean they now shouldnít get a penalty shot.

    I agree that while everyone complains about officiating, there arenít just legions of officials that are really good and qualified and fans would want calling the games and leagues from the pros, college, juniors, high school and down to youth are just refusing to hire despite them wanting to officiate. However there may be a great number that are sick of being booed and heckled and swore at and threatened and called out byname on Internet forums. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions and can say what they want but the officials you see are the best that league can currently muster up so complaining about them could potentially cause some to quit and weaken the pool.

    Just food for thought...
    Being an official is a thankless job. Some professional sports are trying to automate calls which I think is very unwise. We want perfection, but officials are human and will make mistakes. It is human nature. All I ask from officials in any sport is consistency. When officials are consistent in their calls, it is up to the players of the given sport to adjust to those calls.

    There are some fan bases on here that are not happy unless they complain. They also tend to believe their team never does anything wrong. I admit to complaining at times when I feel consistency is lacking. I think we all need to look in the mirror and realize these men and women that are officials are doing a difficult job. Are some officials better than others? Of course. Would we like to be complained about in our jobs day in and day out? I don't think so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MTUHuskies View Post
    You are correct. Fans will complain about officials at every level. But I don't think this is just because Tech lost. BGSU was the better team and deserved to win. It is more a case of the inconsistency and the officials losing control of the game. I do not know the details of how he got injured, but I suspect Baylis would not be out for the season if the officials did a better job. The scrum at the end of Game 1 would not have happened.

    As for a couple calls that I questioned, they are Polglaze getting 5 +game on Friday night for a questionable checking from behind. From what I saw watching Flo, it appeared that the BG player initiated the contact as much as Polglaze did. I'd like to hear the explanation on that one.

    Another call I questioned was the penalty shot on Saturday. I have always been of the understanding that a penalty shot is to restore a lost scoring opportunity. The BG player was able to get a shot off that Jurusik had to make a save on. That to me is not worthy of a penalty shot. A minor was even questionable on that play but I would not have argued one if I was standing behind the bench.

    And I'll admit I'm no expert on the subject. I've only spent 20 years officiating (none over the HS and Midget AAA level and not for the last 15 years) so I'd like you to take my comments in perspective and give me a break.

    Good luck to the four teams remaining. Even though my favourite team has been eliminated, there is plenty of good hockey to watch in the next few weeks.

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    Re: Fire Greg Shepherd, WCHA officiating the laughing stock of NCAA Divison 1 Hockey

    Quote Originally Posted by pdt1081 View Post
    https://youtu.be/tbDGyuJKkTY
    pdt1081 thanks for posting this and validating my point that it should not have been a penalty shot (1:20). And after further review my earlier comment has been reversed. I would definitely argue even a minor penalty on the play.

    Do you have any other videos to support my other comments? If so, please share.

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    Re: Fire Greg Shepherd, WCHA officiating the laughing stock of NCAA Divison 1 Hockey

    It was not about losing the series, just the continued inconsistency the entire season of WCHA refs on the following:

    Boarding
    Real checking from Behind
    Hits to head emphasis
    Interference

    Polglaze hit as mentioned, no way a 5:00. Polglaze ejected for nothing.
    Penalty shot, penalty shot called for Letorneau hockey stopping too hard to the right - ridiculous
    Steman hit in head with blind side hit, officials warrant review, do not even call a 2:00 interference which was a given call.
    Steman struck in the head on Friday night, officials huddling after the game to review the no call.

    The WCHA has to review the performance level, it has been so bad this year, I am questioning buying the stream again next year as the refs have way too much say in the outcomes.
    Inconsistency is the main point, this is not rec hockey, we as fans of the league deserve better and even more important the Div 1 athletes deserve way better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MTUHuskies View Post
    pdt1081 thanks for posting this and validating my point that it should not have been a penalty shot (1:20). And after further review my earlier comment has been reversed. I would definitely argue even a minor penalty on the play.

    Do you have any other videos to support my other comments? If so, please share.

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