Bracketology 1.1 - before the conference tournaments. Don't be upset

[Fishman'81]

Re: Bracketology 1.1 - before the conference tournaments. Don't be upset

One week to go and we see a couple more changes based off this past week's results.

SUNYAC - Geneseo (2)
CCC - Salve Regina (11)
MASCAC - Plymouth State (31)
MIAC - Augsburg (10)
NCHA - St. Norbert (5)
NEHC - Norwich (3)
NESCAC - Trinity (9)
UCHC - Utica (12)

Pool C - Stevens Point (1)
Pool C - Oswego (4)
Pool C - Hobart (6)
Pool C - Adrian (7)

Now we're back to lots of different scenarios for how to deal with Adrian. Adrian can play St. Norbert, Oswego, Hobart and Geneseo all without flying.

I think the fairest scenario I could come up with gives us this bracket. (It becomes an easier pill to swallow if Adrian beats St. Norbert in the NCHA final and Oswego beats Geneseo)

First Round:

Augsburg at St. Norbert
Plymouth State at Norwich
Utica at Hobart
Salve Regina at Trinity

Quarterfinals:

SNC/Augsburg at Stevens Point
Adrian at Oswego
Norwich/Plymouth vs. Hobart/Utica
Salve Regina/Trinity at Geneseo

Please figure-out how to get Utica as far away from The Cooler as possible. Even my Siberian husky would prefer to fly somewhere else.

[joecct]

One week to go and we see a couple more changes based off this past week's results.

SUNYAC - Geneseo (2)
CCC - Salve Regina (11)
MASCAC - Plymouth State (31)
MIAC - Augsburg (10)
NCHA - St. Norbert (5)
NEHC - Norwich (3)
NESCAC - Trinity (9)
UCHC - Utica (12)

Pool C - Stevens Point (1)
Pool C - Oswego (4)
Pool C - Hobart (6)
Pool C - Adrian (7)

Now we're back to lots of different scenarios for how to deal with Adrian. Adrian can play St. Norbert, Oswego, Hobart and Geneseo all without flying.

I think the fairest scenario I could come up with gives us this bracket. (It becomes an easier pill to swallow if Adrian beats St. Norbert in the NCHA final and Oswego beats Geneseo)

First Round:

Augsburg at St. Norbert
Plymouth State at Norwich
Utica at Hobart
Salve Regina at Trinity

Quarterfinals:

SNC/Augsburg at Stevens Point
Adrian at Oswego
Norwich/Plymouth vs. Hobart/Utica
Salve Regina/Trinity at Geneseo

Geez where is Sir Nubs?

[NUProf]

Re: Bracketology 1.1 - before the conference tournaments. Don't be upset

What is wrong with this set up given the current PWR?

Adrian/Hobart --> Genny,
Augs/SNC --> UWSP,
Plym/Trin --> Oswego
Utica/Slave --> NU

We would have 6 vs. 7 going to 2, 9 vs. 5 going to 1, 12/8 going to 4. and 11/10 going to 3.

It's not perfect but the are no flights required, the top 4 seeds get byes. Just a thought.

[PrezdeJohnson09]

What is wrong with this set up given the current PWR?

Adrian/Hobart --> Genny,
Augs/SNC --> UWSP,
Plym/Trin --> Oswego
Utica/Slave --> NU

We would have 6 vs. 7 going to 2, 9 vs. 5 going to 1, 12/8 going to 4. and 11/10 going to 3.

It's not perfect but the are no flights required, the top 4 seeds get byes. Just a thought.

Not a bad choice either. But 3 and 4 kind of make out with the lower seeds there while higher seeds have to face “tougher” opponents.

[Sir Nubs]

Geez where is Sir Nubs?

Trying to ignore the misinformation spread on here virtually in every post.

[Fishman'81]

Re: Bracketology 1.1 - before the conference tournaments. Don't be upset

Trying to ignore the misinformation spread on here virtually in every post.

Well, the good news is that the AL's will be determined via the PWR, and the bad news is that there still exists a ridiculous 500-mile cliff regarding the siting.

Here's an idea: lose the distance BS, site the teams on the basis of the PWR, and split the travel budget as is needed. If any school decides that it can't afford to make up any (possible) shortfall, it can cede its berth to the next highest-ranked team that will pony-up the difference.

Prof and others have been very informative as to the fact that D-3 receives 3% of the NCAA's annual budget, but I'd love to know what the exact dollar amount is... I'm guessing that it would would cover a few commercial flights, but even if not, a whole lot of schools in D-3 charge 40-60 K /year in tuition while having massive, self-perpetuating endowments in place at the same time...

Soooo, the entire money-argument sounds pretty disingenuous to me. The PWR was a great start, but why not level the entire playing field, er, ice?

[CARDS_rule_the_Burgh]

a whole lot of schools in D-3 charge 40-60 K /year in tuition while having massive, self-perpetuating endowments in place at the same time

I see you would leave the public schools in the dust, then? Plattsburgh just finished a round of faculty layoffs to try to alleviate a $1M+ budget deficit, and it is my understanding that there situation is typical of most SUNY campuses. What you propose is likely impossible for a school like Plattsburgh.

[Russell Jaslow]

Re: Bracketology 1.1 - before the conference tournaments. Don't be upset

I see you would leave the public schools in the dust, then? Plattsburgh just finished a round of faculty layoffs to try to alleviate a $1M+ budget deficit, and it is my understanding that there situation is typical of most SUNY campuses. What you propose is likely impossible for a school like Plattsburgh.

Potsdam is hurting financially right now as well.

DeadFish's idea is as asinine as he can possibly get. And he has already set bars so low, they wouldn't fit in Mariana Trench.

[spwood]

Re: Bracketology 1.1 - before the conference tournaments. Don't be upset

Well, the good news is that the AL's will be determined via the PWR, and the bad news is that there still exists a ridiculous 500-mile cliff regarding the siting.

Here's an idea: lose the distance BS, site the teams on the basis of the PWR, and split the travel budget as is needed. If any school decides that it can't afford to make up any (possible) shortfall, it can cede its berth to the next highest-ranked team that will pony-up the difference.

Soooo, the entire money-argument sounds pretty disingenuous to me. The PWR was a great start, but why not level the entire playing field, er, ice?

So your idea of "leveling the playing field" is to select teams by financial status instead of playing merit? Did you forget to take your medication yesterday?

[Lightningvinny100]

Just thought, but without the win....Adrian will drop back down below UMB. Their win% would drop to .707 and RPI would take a hit. UMB should pretty much remain steady.

So I need a little help understanding how the PW system works . Since we are assuming Adrian losing to SN, is it as easy as you lose you move down or is there other factors involved? If so that makes it simple, If Adrian loses they are out and UMB is in. Or could Adrian stay put,Even through their win % would drop ,their RPI could hang due to wieghted road loss to SN (which could move up to PW 4) ,& 4 wins against teams that could win their conference title Sat night (Utica,Utica, Salve,Salve) and possibly gain spots in the PW standings? For that matter could a weighted conf final loss for Hobart drop them below Adrian due to this factor? I just don’t really know how the computer (PW) works but when Utica won on Sunday, Adrian did get a slight boost in the RPI. Got a headache thinking about numbers!

[joecct]

Re: Bracketology 1.1 - before the conference tournaments. Don't be upset

Take a look at the upper left of the d3 basketball bracket. Somebody is flying for round 3. Maybe the 500 mile rule is not as ironclad as it used to be?

[joecct]

So I need a little help understanding how the PW system works . Since we are assuming Adrian losing to SN, is it as easy as you lose you move down or is there other factors involved? If so that makes it simple, If Adrian loses they are out and UMB is in. Or could Adrian stay put,Even through their win % would drop ,their RPI could hang due to wieghted road loss to SN (which could move up to PW 4) ,& 4 wins against teams that could win their conference title Sat night (Utica,Utica, Salve,Salve) and possibly gain spots in the PW standings? For that matter could a weighted conf final loss for Hobart drop them below Adrian due to this factor? I just don’t really know how the computer (PW) works but when Utica won on Sunday, Adrian did get a slight boost in the RPI. Got a headache thinking about numbers!

WinPct
Head 2 Head
Common Opponents
RPI (tiebreaker). Beating a bad team will not drag your RPI down as it did in previous years. Lose, and you just loaded a boat anchor.

[Fishman'81]

Re: Bracketology 1.1 - before the conference tournaments. Don't be upset

Potsdam is hurting financially right now as well.

DeadFish's idea is as asinine as he can possibly get. And he has already set bars so low, they wouldn't fit in Mariana Trench.

Yet another brilliant and beautifully-worded post. (Loved the mixed metaphor; a real head-scratcher!) Thanks for sharing.

But it would be interesting if someone could provide the actual dollar-amount of the NCAA's D-3 hockey budget. It's possible that the money for a flight or two in the 1st round is already there, which would obviate this whole argument.

[Fishman'81]

Re: Bracketology 1.1 - before the conference tournaments. Don't be upset

Take a look at the upper left of the d3 basketball bracket. Somebody is flying for round 3. Maybe the 500 mile rule is not as ironclad as it used to be?

Yeah, it's all over the place.

"Iron-clad" D-3 budget or not, it's hard to imagine that there's not enough in the NCAA coffers to finance an equitable arrangement for all the sports under that umbrella.

[snc1]

[QUOTE=Fishman'81;6769284]Yet another brilliant and beautifully-worded post. (Loved the mixed metaphor; a real head-scratcher!) Thanks for sharing.

I thought it was pretty good too.