Bracketology 1.1 - before the conference tournaments. Don't be upset

[KnightsOfTheRound]

Re: Bracketology 1.1 - before the conference tournaments. Don't be upset

Curry never played Geneseo in the NCAA’s ? Not sure where you got that? They have been to Plattsburgh, Middlebury, Elmira, Norwich??

You're right! It was Colby. I told you all I tried to forget everything about that game

[Norwich59]

Re: Bracketology 1.1 - before the conference tournaments. Don't be upset

The more I look at Webb's Bracket B, the more I really like it for keeping bracket integrity more or less intact while conforming with the realities of the NCAA's requirements (sorry Norwich, for getting a 1st round game). I just wonder how much of a precedent the Curry example actually is. Curry is 584 miles from Geneseo, vs 884 miles between Oswego and St. Norbert. 84 miles is an extra hour and a half on the bus, whereas 884 miles would absolutely require a flight (I can't remember if Curry bussed it or not). Either way, it would be great if they were willing to fly the winner of that game out.

How would you be keeping bracket integrity by requiring the #3 seed to have a play in game and reward the #4 and #8 seeds with first round byes?? And by the way I'm really feeling you sorrow over here if NU is required to play in.

[pete99race]

Re: Bracketology 1.1 - before the conference tournaments. Don't be upset

Does anybody have the link to the selection show? I couldn't find it on ncaa.com yet.

Here you go...

https://www.ncaa.com/sports/icehockey-men/d3

[Russell Jaslow]

Re: Bracketology 1.1 - before the conference tournaments. Don't be upset

The more I look at Webb's Bracket B, the more I really like it for keeping bracket integrity more or less intact while conforming with the realities of the NCAA's requirements (sorry Norwich, for getting a 1st round game). I just wonder how much of a precedent the Curry example actually is. Curry is 584 miles from Geneseo, vs 884 miles between Oswego and St. Norbert. 84 miles is an extra hour and a half on the bus, whereas 884 miles would absolutely require a flight (I can't remember if Curry bussed it or not). Either way, it would be great if they were willing to fly the winner of that game out.

If you are over 500 miles, you get to fly if the school chooses. The NCAA can't force you to bus. That's why there is the 500 mile rule in the first place.

[Russell Jaslow]

Re: Bracketology 1.1 - before the conference tournaments. Don't be upset

How would you be keeping bracket integrity by requiring the #3 seed to have a play in game and reward the #4 and #8 seeds with first round byes?? And by the way I'm really feeling you sorrow over here if NU is required to play in.

He said "more or less intact." He never claimed pure bracket integrity.

Either way, pure bracket integrity cannot be kept with the 500-mile rule. Webb's proposal gets closer to bracket integrity than other proposals.

EDIT: They just made Plattsburgh women (tied 2nd in PWR) play in the play-in game, because of the 500-mile rule. So much for their bracket integrity.

[KnightsOfTheRound]

Re: Bracketology 1.1 - before the conference tournaments. Don't be upset

How would you be keeping bracket integrity by requiring the #3 seed to have a play in game and reward the #4 and #8 seeds with first round byes?? And by the way I'm really feeling you sorrow over here if NU is required to play in.

It sets up 1/8, 2/7, 3/6 and 4/5 quarterfinals. That's what I mean about bracket integrity. The rest that you mentioned is unavoidable due to the 500 mile rule.

[BetterInLakePlacid]

Re: Bracketology 1.1 - before the conference tournaments. Don't be upset

How would you be keeping bracket integrity by requiring the #3 seed to have a play in game and reward the #4 and #8 seeds with first round byes?? And by the way I'm really feeling you sorrow over here if NU is required to play in.

I would rather have the #3 seed have to play the worst team in the first round than the #1 seed have to play the #4 seed in the quarters. The way that Mathieu Webb has it seeded is the path of least resistance for the top 4 seeds to get into the quarterfinals and the final four. Yes the 3 seed has to play in the first round, but you are giving them the worst team in the rankings. The 4th seed having a bye vs the 3rd seed is irrelevant to me as in a perfect world, they would both have one. With the rules, it cannot be perfect this year someone has to pay. Does it make more sense to make life worse for the number 1 seed AND the number 4 seed by having them have to play each other to get in the final four or the number 3 seed having to play an extra game against the worst team instead of getting a bye in the first round. I am taking the situation that is better for two of the top 4 teams vs the one. Augs gets the extra benefit here in they fact they don't have to play in the first round, but they get "rewarded" by having to play the undefeated top rank team on the road. They are also the 8th ranked team, which is about the seed you would expect a top seed would play in the quarters.

[Norwich59]

Re: Bracketology 1.1 - before the conference tournaments. Don't be upset

it sets up 1/8, 2/7, 3/6 and 4/5 quarterfinals. That's what i mean about bracket integrity. The rest that you mentioned is unavoidable due to the 500 mile rule.

ok! Let's go with plan B.

[Norwich59]

Re: Bracketology 1.1 - before the conference tournaments. Don't be upset

I would rather have the #3 seed have to play the worst team in the first round than the #1 seed have to play the #4 seed in the quarters. The way that Mathieu Webb has it seeded is the path of least resistance for the top 4 seeds to get into the quarterfinals and the final four. Yes the 3 seed has to play in the first round, but you are giving them the worst team in the rankings. The 4th seed having a bye vs the 3rd seed is irrelevant to me as in a perfect world, they would both have one. With the rules, it cannot be perfect this year someone has to pay. Does it make more sense to make life worse for the number 1 seed AND the number 4 seed by having them have to play each other to get in the final four or the number 3 seed having to play an extra game against the worst team instead of getting a bye in the first round. I am taking the situation that is better for two of the top 4 teams vs the one. Augs gets the extra benefit here in they fact they don't have to play in the first round, but they get "rewarded" by having to play the undefeated top rank team on the road. They are also the 8th ranked team, which is about the seed you would expect a top seed would play in the quarters.

Got it, but you don't take any team for granted either.

[Tom Coughlin]

Re: Bracketology 1.1 - before the conference tournaments. Don't be upset

SNC got screwed.

[BKrosky]

Re: Bracketology 1.1 - before the conference tournaments. Don't be upset

SNC got screwed.

I'm an Oswego homer and I still think they got too favorable of a matchup. Feel bad for the West, but then i also think they've gotten a lot of favorable matchups in the past few years. Tricky situation.

[BetterInLakePlacid]

Re: Bracketology 1.1 - before the conference tournaments. Don't be upset

SNC got screwed.

SNC and UWSP got screwed.

[KnightsOfTheRound]

Re: Bracketology 1.1 - before the conference tournaments. Don't be upset

Did anybody notice that the host said the Frozen Four will be played at the highest remaining seed, with no qualifications? Not sure if the producers of the video are uninformed or if that's significant. I am guessing it is the former, because there are ALWAYS qualifications (e.g. submitting a bit, being able to host, etc).

[Tom Coughlin]

Re: Bracketology 1.1 - before the conference tournaments. Don't be upset

SNC has been a big beneficiary of this lately and it still doesn't feel right to me.

I take back what I said.

[joecct]

Re: Bracketology 1.1 - before the conference tournaments. Don't be upset

The committee flipped Manhattanville and UNE.

And I think 800+ or 1000+ miles were too much for the committee to justify a "waiver" to the 500 mile guideline.