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    I know that you didn't ask me, but those numbers are in this years program. At least they are in the one I got at the UMass Lowell game this year.
    hi EHF, it wasn't meant just for Ralph, especially since he seems to be ignoring me

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    Quote Originally Posted by AspyDad View Post
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    I am not Mike McMahon. Things do not get better till Shirley and Lee go.
    Dr. Mcilroy has shown more responsible leadership when it comes to the AD than predecessors. Sure, he fired your coach, who was given insane contract extensions. Sure, he chose an outlet who was conducting a search for the first time. Sure, he didn't let some crabby alums interfere with the selection process like a disagreeable bridesmaid when picking the dress. But he's not the problem. For the hand he was dealt, he's been playing it extraordinarily well.

    You will have no argument from me about Jackson, though. Heck, even Prof. Washington didn't want to sit next to her when they showed the throne a couple weeks ago. That tyrant has pulled down morale of the ENTIRE institute.

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    Dr. Mcilroy has shown more responsible leadership when it comes to the AD than predecessors. Sure, he fired your coach, who was given insane contract extensions. Sure, he chose an outlet who was conducting a search for the first time. Sure, he didn't let some crabby alums interfere with the selection process like a disagreeable bridesmaid when picking the dress. But he's not the problem. For the hand he was dealt, he's been playing it extraordinarily well.

    You will have no argument from me about Jackson, though. Heck, even Prof. Washington didn't want to sit next to her when they showed the throne a couple weeks ago. That tyrant has pulled down morale of the ENTIRE institute.
    He said HFH was getting an upgrade; not happening,never going to happen. You prob saw the turnout from the alumni weekend, it was dreadful and that's a vote on his stewardship of the program. The alumni should be involved because they have played the game. "crabby alums" know more than a search firm that never picked a coach. Agree on Jackson. Hope you are well.
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    Lee McElroy's stewardhip of RPI Hockey thru last weekend is 22-72-8
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    Quote Originally Posted by AspyDad View Post
    Lee McElroy's stewardhip of RPI Hockey thru last weekend is 22-72-8
    We’re been a joke of the ECAC past 15 years

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    We’re been a joke of the ECAC past 15 years
    11-12 NCAA tourney team was a fun team Polacek and Yorkie were formidable. Glad to see Chase make the HOF. One of the best to wear the Cherry and White
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    Quote Originally Posted by FlagDUDE08 View Post
    Probably bought a new ice resurfacing machine.
    That makes sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AspyDad View Post
    Lee McElroy's stewardhip of RPI Hockey thru last weekend is 22-72-8
    Wow!! If these figures are accurate, that is a win percent of 255. We are assuming that was achieved while supposedly trying to win.

    Contrast that with the original expansion Mets of my childhood. That leadership had absolutely no intention of even remotely trying to win. Their business plan was to bring in as many popular former Brooklyn Dodgers, New York Giants and even a few of the crosstown guys from a decade prior in order to lure fans away from and compete at both the turnstile and the Neilson ratings with their world champion in city competition. Despite their playing out 1962 in a dilapidated ballpark located in a decaying and unsafe neighborhood with old fan favorites that were now little more than washed up old men (including the manager), they dammed near pulled it off. The Mets, if I recall correctly, only lost out at the gate by about 50,000 for the whole season and only lost the TV rating war by the slightest of margins.

    Oh, by the way and despite all the above, even the original Mets managed to win at a rate of 250 (only 5 points less than the supplied figures of the current leader).

    The figures supplied by AspyDad, if accurate, speak volumes about where this program has been led. So do these. Win percent of most recent former coach under three leaders was around 420. That percent was actually higher when only counting the first two leaders. Win percent of Gary Kearns, who took over during the much shorter but biggest crash in the program's history, was 414. Even the present coach who walked in to this mess of more than a decade is at 269 (14 points higher than the supplied figures of the current leader).

    Short of resorting to the original Tampa Bay Bucks with a win percent of zero, there does not appear to be any "pairwise comparisons" that the current leader wins.

    None the less, the over riding problem with the hockey program rests with the very top layers of the entire organization's chain of command or their organization chart. All you have to do is be a regular reader of the Times Union (including Thursday's) to know that. The problem is not the whole of the athletic department or even any individual coach past or present. The department has more than their share of very capable and accomplished administrators of which even the oldest are still relatively young. If there was only a way of both elevating these people to the positions they should be holding and getting the ones stifling them the ---- out of the way, a lot more would be getting done to get things turned around faster.

    As for the present coach and with all due respect to Bill Parcells ("you are your record"), that just does not apply here. Yes, the numbers are still terrible but the eye test of both the actual hockey product and compete level product is just plain better than it has been in some time. The last four game unbeaten streak was back in 2015-2016. The coaching job being done at present is not bad at all. In fact, it is probably as good as can be done in the present environment and circumstance. The right foundation is being laid and the cold hard numbers will get better. How much better rests more with the skinniest part of the organizational chart (the top) than it does with any coach or rank and file athletic department staff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AspyDad View Post
    He said HFH was getting an upgrade; not happening,never going to happen. You prob saw the turnout from the alumni weekend, it was dreadful and that's a vote on his stewardship of the program. The alumni should be involved because they have played the game. "crabby alums" know more than a search firm that never picked a coach. Agree on Jackson. Hope you are well.
    I'm well aware of the alumni game, having attended the 4v4 fun times myself. But that's not on McIlroy, that's much more on the feelings of Jackson. WaP didn't give up because of McIlroy, but rather Jackson (although starting a family didn't help matters much, as you know that is much more important). I'm sure you've heard of the phrase "too many cooks in the kitchen", and that is the last thing that we needed. McIlroy had a vision for what the team should be, that is what was accepted and carried out. The means of execution at the time may offend you, but from my vantage point, I see an up-tempo style of play that will make our team successful, coupled with a guy that can actually bench coach.

    HFH upgrades are, by this point, empty promises likely on account of a lack of funding. Again, it revolves around the empress and her placing RPI into massive debt. Figure that out (you and I both know what needs to happen), and then we start talking about upgrades.

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    I'm well aware of the alumni game, having attended the 4v4 fun times myself. But that's not on McIlroy, that's much more on the feelings of Jackson. WaP didn't give up because of McIlroy, but rather Jackson (although starting a family didn't help matters much, as you know that is much more important). I'm sure you've heard of the phrase "too many cooks in the kitchen", and that is the last thing that we needed. McIlroy had a vision for what the team should be, that is what was accepted and carried out. The means of execution at the time may offend you, but from my vantage point, I see an up-tempo style of play that will make our team successful, coupled with a guy that can actually bench coach.

    HFH upgrades are, by this point, empty promises likely on account of a lack of funding. Again, it revolves around the empress and her placing RPI into massive debt. Figure that out (you and I both know what needs to happen), and then we start talking about upgrades.
    Why don't you guys start a new thread to complain about the administration of the Institute and leave this one to RPI hockey. This is really getting old around here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by engineerhockeyfan View Post
    Why don't you guys start a new thread to complain about the administration of the Institute and leave this one to RPI hockey. This is really getting old around here.
    With all due respect, Mike McMahon's tweet talked about how a school's admin commitment is important to having a winning hockey program. That's very topical and prescient.Hope all is well!
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    Why don't you guys start a new thread to complain about the administration of the Institute and leave this one to RPI hockey. This is really getting old around here.
    I don't know whether you're in support of them, nor if you're trying to squelch dissent of them as we've seen quite often from those of similar-style beliefs, but if people are walking away from the 'tute because of them, I'd say that's gosh darn relevant. We all want the best for both the hockey program and the college. Not only the student-athletes, but also the students themselves. Without the 'tute, we have no legacy, and no program.

    If you want to talk hockey, let's talk hockey. Tonight's a must win if we want any chance at salvaging the season and getting first round home ice.

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    I don't know whether you're in support of them, nor if you're trying to squelch dissent of them as we've seen quite often from those of similar-style beliefs, but if people are walking away from the 'tute because of them, I'd say that's gosh darn relevant. We all want the best for both the hockey program and the college. Not only the student-athletes, but also the students themselves. Without the 'tute, we have no legacy, and no program.

    If you want to talk hockey, let's talk hockey. Tonight's a must win if we want any chance at salvaging the season and getting first round home ice.
    I am neither for or against this administration. I did not attend RPI, but my two kids did and both are doing quite well. So I have high regard for the Institute. They both had a great experience at RPI and that was in part do to the professors and in my daughter's
    case, the diving coach. I am not sure what affect the administration had on their experience.
    I'm just tired of hearing you gripe about Shirley. (Even if it is justified).
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