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    Re: RPI Hockey 2018 - 2019 Part II: We're Just Gonna Complain, Don't Bother Reading

    Quote Originally Posted by FlagDUDE08 View Post
    Three consecutive 11th places. Let's not forget why the sacking happened in the first place. I know you want to act like there was some sort of persecution, but from what I can tell, it's the Smith recruits that are stepping up while we're held back by the Appert ones, whether by perception or actual play.

    Also, 16 points is abnormally high for 11th. Sure, I don't think it would have ever gotten us home ice, but next year's the year of reckoning.
    I was told by ppl on this thread that SA was a lousy coach who couldn't get the most out of the team. What's Dave's excuse? I think sk8thepond is right; RPI Culture that Lee and Shirley have created will never produce a winner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ServinisScores View Post
    that's not a crazy take, but they seem to be moving slow if that's the real plan, no?
    I highly doubt any moving up of divisions will happen. Just looking from the outside of the RPI bubble I don't think the money is there at this point to make a move.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AspyDad View Post
    I was told by ppl on this thread that SA was a lousy coach who couldn't get the most out of the team. What's Dave's excuse? I think sk8thepond is right; RPI Culture that Lee and Shirley have created will never produce a winner.
    Once you get through the other posts, you'll see my response to that. February brought everything to light about what the true issue is. And given your political leanings, you might enjoy my nickname for it.
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    Ahh crap I agree exactly with what FlagDude said.
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    And yet, even if Flaggy is complete tinfoil hat, every day it looks closer and closer to the truth.
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    So flaggy: you win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ServinisScores View Post
    Hmm, I have to run to playoff games for the little ones after this, so I can't banter back & forth too long:
    - I would say Seth not being able to outdo Fridge's Troy connection (assuming that is the sole reason for 2000) isn't a plus in Seth's column.
    - Emil, et.al. aren't going pro because they aren't good enough. Regardless, I would expect them to transfer with a coaching change.
    - Monty should have been someone that McElroy's predecessor locked down to be the HC, at least for a few years.

    I have to run, will check in from courtside... Cheers!
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    Quote Originally Posted by AspyDad View Post
    As always, you are the most astute observer of RPI Hockey on the scene. Lee has no knowledge (which is fine) but did not tap hockey resources to fix this thing; it is a hallmark of his stewardship of this program.
    Not using the hockey resources was a bad look for sure. Hope all is well with you my friend.
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    Sorry didn't realize you were a NHL scout and player evaluator my bad
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    They made that decision after his freshman year. After that, his game went to ****.
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    Sorry didn't realize you were a NHL scout and player evaluator my bad
    Was he deserving then? Sure. What has he done since then, keeping in mind I pay attention to all of his games, rather than the couple that the scouts see. Unless you can answer that, **** off.
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    Ahh crap I agree exactly with what FlagDude said.
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    And yet, even if Flaggy is complete tinfoil hat, every day it looks closer and closer to the truth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FlagDUDE08 View Post
    Lots of action and complaining on these boards... must be playoff time.
    It's good to see that the thread title is finally accurate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlagDUDE08 View Post
    Was he deserving then? Sure. What has he done since then, keeping in mind I pay attention to all of his games, rather than the couple that the scouts see. Unless you can answer that, **** off.
    He also was the final player taken in the draft. I suspect it was regarded as a crapshoot.

    IMHO, he is a still a much better pro prospect than Perry who was taken before he came to RPI. I realize that he is injured.

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    Re pro prospects: It will be interesting to see if any of Smith's recruits are taken this year in the draft.

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    [QUOTE=FlagDUDE08;6772297]That's partially a result of the NCAA changes that were made around 2006 or so, which involve hefty moratoriums. I believe it's 5 years to go D-III to D-II, and then 9 years from D-II to D-I (perhaps the other way around). Let's also remember that the money required to facilitate D-I programs is a lot more than D-III, and quite frankly, RPI is flat broke.[/QUOTE

    If the theory is RPI is trying to go D2 or D1 in other sports and they are enjoying pretty good success at D3 and the time and financial commitment is substantial, what would be the motivator? To be more like the hockey program? To entice the alumni to support the school more? What would be better: success at a lower level or mediocrity,at best, at the D1 level?Seems like a pretty hefty gamble to me. One could argue the effort at UA is not really paying off at least the last couple of years.

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    Wow the f bomb...come on dude your better than that !
    Quote Originally Posted by FlagDUDE08 View Post
    Was he deserving then? Sure. What has he done since then, keeping in mind I pay attention to all of his games, rather than the couple that the scouts see. Unless you can answer that, **** off.
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    A 6'3 right shoot defenseman with better than avg.speed and huge offensive up side...my worry is he signs after this season my guess is the penguins will have a discussion on whether he will further develop at some pro level or a 20+lose college team I don't pretend to know that answer but to not have that conversation would be malpractice
    Quote Originally Posted by Ralph Baer View Post
    He also was the final player taken in the draft. I suspect it was regarded as a crapshoot.

    IMHO, he is a still a much better pro prospect than Perry who was taken before he came to RPI. I realize that he is injured.
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    Re: RPI Hockey 2018 - 2019 Part II: We're Just Gonna Complain, Don't Bother Reading

    Appert could of had us 11th last year and this year

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    Now I'm going to state I believe Clarkson has a lot of support from the administration so the situations are different but I find it funny a lot of the RPI fans expect to succeed so quickly with how D1 college hockey is present day.

    Look at Casey Jones, year one was promising with Karpowich keeping us in most games and we went 9-9-4 in conference, year two was a disaster all around, the recruiting was awful which was to be expected but that staff as is (Jones, Phil Roy, Andy Jones) couldn't recruit a goalie to save their life, Clarkson goes 9-20-7 overall but a decent 8-11-3 in conference.

    Now year three you're still not expecting much but you hope to see at least a decent goalie to come in and some decent recruits, the numbers were decent we went 21-17-4 overall with a cupcake schedule, 11-9-2 in league with a bad 2nd half, we lose at Lynah on a game 3 OT heartbreaker but those were all Roll guys that carried that team and were great leaders for our program playing desperate senior hockey (Burton, Frederick, McPherson, Sexton, and de Haas, Geiger, Tansey were workhorses on D).

    Year four we go 12-20-5 overall, 8-11-3 in the league and lose to RPI in the 1st round at home in 3 (what do you think Clarkson fans were thinking at this point?). 15-16 we still have bad goaltending with Lewis/Perry but we have better skilled players like Boucher and Vigneault and the aforementioned defensive leaders like de Haas, Geiger, Tansey plus adding a young Amorosa and Summers so the D carry us but it came to an end at SLU in the 2nd round, a 20-15-3 season but the big thing is Andy Jones to a job at UML and we added Josh Hauge to start the season and he helped set us up for where we are now.

    In 16-17 things were noticeably different, Roy gets Brosseau and Rempal along with a lot of Quebec players he recruited to Clarkson in previous years and Hauge gets Egle, Kielly, Moro, and secures Sturms commitment who Andy Jones previously recruited. Now it's looking like we are sustainable for the next few seasons at least with our current levels of recruiting.

    I was under the original impression Smith was an average hire, now I'm starting to believe he was a good hire. He's recruiting at a level I didn't think he'd reach so quickly, with the likes of Ashbrook, Herrman, Kjellberg, Klee, McIssac he's obviously trying to get more mature and quicker up front with some towers on D (sounds familiar). The pickups of Beaton, Dubinsky (if he can recover from his injury fine), Fontaine seem promising as well. It also seems he has his #1 for years to come with Savory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by troyboy View Post
    A 6'3 right shoot defenseman with better than avg.speed and huge offensive up side...my worry is he signs after this season my guess is the penguins will have a discussion on whether he will further develop at some pro level or a 20+lose college team I don't pretend to know that answer but to not have that conversation would be malpractice
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    Re pro prospects: It will be interesting to see if any of Smith's recruits are taken this year in the draft.
    Doesn't look like it to me. What says you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rvd5star69 View Post
    Appert could of had us 11th last year and this year
    With little hope of improvement. There are signs of life now. Granted, not every game is great, but definitely better than two to five years ago. I suspect that others might have done better than Smith, but the program is going in a better direction than before.

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    Doesn't look like it to me. What says you?
    I think that Beaton stands a good chance of being taken. He has been moving up in the CSB reports. Gunnarwolfe Fontaine is small, but he has been improving in leaps and bounds as the season has been progressing, as he did last year in prep school. Someone could take a flyer on him. At a minimum he will replace and probably surpass Hayhurst when he arrives in 2020.

    Fawkes is possible, but unlikely. And don't forget that Kjellberg was taken last year.
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    [QUOTE=One could argue the effort at UA is not really paying off at least the last couple of years.[/QUOTE]

    Depends on which sport at UA youíre talking about. The menís lacrosse team made it to the NCAA final four for the first time last season. Womenís basketball had a 6-year run to the NCAA tournament ended last year. The menís team had 5 freshmen starters this year when their top 2 scorers from the previous year left with one year of eligibility remaining. Football does have a way to go but they are in a superior conference and lost a number of close games this past season.

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