2020 Democratic Challengers III: Weekend at Bernie's

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: Weekend at Bernie's

Maybe dont read second rate rags like the Examiner...

I just looked for an article. Heard a lot of this crap on MSNBC this morning. Howard Schultz was on. It was reported Bloomberg attacked Warren over her plutocrat tax. Schultz was against it as well.

Just for the record, I multi source any articles I post before I post them.

Again, it's pretty amazing how Schultz thinks he has a lane down the middle. But no one can articulate what the tax structure will look like in the middle. We only have what Warren is saying and what Turtle Boy and Ayn Rand Masturbation Boy passed along with the history of taxation since 1980 to go on.

[Handyman]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: Weekend at Bernie's

Schultz has no clue what he is in for. By the time we actually get to the point of nominations he will have had months of every skeleton coming out of his closet not to mention his true intentions will come out. (billionaires dont run to "make things better" ) He will be a non-starter for 95% of the Left and the other 5% would rather vote for loonbats and criminals like Jill Stein so he wont get them either.

He honestly has a better chance to get GOP votes and he has .01% chance of that. Vanity campaigns arent going to survive a divided electorate.

[Handyman]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: Weekend at Bernie's

I just looked for an article. Heard a lot of this crap on MSNBC this morning. Howard Schultz was on. It was reported Bloomberg attacked Warren over her plutocrat tax. Schultz was against it as well.

Just for the record, I multi source any articles I post before I post them.

Again, it's pretty amazing how Schultz thinks he has a lane down the middle. But no one can articulate what the tax structure will look like in the middle. We only have what Warren is saying and what Turtle Boy and Ayn Rand Masturbation Boy passed along with the history of taxation since 1980 to go on.

Who cares? Let them rail against socialism that is how most people feel anyways. When the Venezuela crap dies down the boogeyman will go back in the closet. The Left needs to not take the bait.

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: Weekend at Bernie's

I can’t wait til his first campaign event in Seattle

[Jimjamesak]

I can’t wait til his first campaign event in Seattle

My first thought. The story of how he ran that team is going to come out if he gets serious and it’ll sink him quick.

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: Weekend at Bernie's

Who cares? Let them rail against socialism that is how most people feel anyways. When the Venezuela crap dies down the boogeyman will go back in the closet. The Left needs to not take the bait.

I care. They're going to blow up the debate before it even happens.

[Rover]

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Who cares? Let them rail against socialism that is how most people feel anyways. When the Venezuela crap dies down the boogeyman will go back in the closet. The Left needs to not take the bait.

I doubt most Americans even know where Venezuela is ("Venezuela...didn't he used to pitch for the Dodgers back in the 80's?"). I wouldn't worry about it either. The "rich" as in multi-millionaires, will be paying more taxes under Dem control of government. Its just a matter of how much. I personally am proud of both Presidents Clinton and Obama for raising taxes on the rich and showing that its not electoral death despite what the lamestream media says when its publishing GOP press releases and passing it off as their own reporting. Now its time to go beyond that although I haven't yet decided who's plan is best.

[WeAreNDHockey]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: Weekend at Bernie's

Podesta says Hillary Clinton is not running for president in 2020.

[Kepler]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: Weekend at Bernie's

The Dems' surrender on fiscal policy in the 80s and 90s allowed the right to portray 36% top marginal rates as "normal." They aren't, they're ridiculously low, and they were predicated on Reagan's trickle down theory which has been completely refuted by history.

It was a radical experiment which failed. We should return top marginal rates to their normal level -- the right can argue Kennedy's 50% and I will argue Eisenhower's 90%.

Clinton especially could have reversed Reagan's tragic mistake after only 12 years of hollowing out the middle class. Instead he triangulated and bequested us another 27 years of it and counting, and in addition weakened America to the point where a fascist like Dumpy could bumble in. I'll give Clinton credit for winning election and thus staunching the bleeding, but he didn't heal the wounds the right has subjected this country to. Obama I will give a pass to since he was busy preventing the Cheney oil regime's predations from triggering a second Great Depression.

[mookie1995]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: Weekend at Bernie's

Rich need to be taxed to pay bills, never mind redistribution. Before any lazy bum freeloaders get a UBI, crazy deficits have to be reduced and infrastructure should be settled.
Reasonable budget deficits are excused, but this is nutso

[Kepler]

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Wrong. Redistribution created the middle class. We'll let the first gen rich keep some of their loot but their kids don't get a hammock; they have to start over at the "bottom" (with their tier-1 educations, perfect health, and Rolodex of club contacts).

99% over $10M yearly income.

99% over $1B gross assets.

You'll live.

[Rover]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: Weekend at Bernie's

The Dems' surrender on fiscal policy in the 80s and 90s allowed the right to portray 36% top marginal rates as "normal." They aren't, they're ridiculously low, and they were predicated on Reagan's trickle down theory which has been completely refuted by history.

It was a radical experiment which failed. We should return top marginal rates to their normal level -- the right can argue Kennedy's 50% and I will argue Eisenhower's 90%.

Clinton especially could have reversed Reagan's tragic mistake after only 12 years of hollowing out the middle class. Instead he triangulated and bequested us another 27 years of it and counting, and in addition weakened America to the point where a fascist like Dumpy could bumble in. I'll give Clinton credit for winning election and thus staunching the bleeding, but he didn't heal the wounds the right has subjected this country to. Obama I will give a pass to since he was busy preventing the Cheney oil regime's predations from triggering a second Great Depression.

I'm sorry but this is a BS take on history with no basis in fact. When Clinton ran in 1992 supply side economics was all the rage and it was openly questioned whether we'd even have another Dem president for a generation, let alone a two-termer (last Dem to win two full terms before Clinton----FDR!!!). Clinton launched a full frontal assault on the policy and campaigned on raising tax rates on the rich (to 40% IIRC) and made it safe again for Dems to do so. No Bill Clinton and top tier tax rates would be 20% at best.

What you continue to do, I'm speculating due to your lust over the Bernie Sanders campaign, is equate the political climate of the 80's with that of the 60's. Like somehow the electorate was dying for 60's style liberalism during the Reagan era and those dastardly Dems were just to wimpy to deliver. In reality, which a 55 year old man like yourself should know as you were there like I was, is that people wanted what Ronbo was delivering. He didn't "change the course of the country". He was in the right place at the right time to tell whiny baby boomers and Silent Generation loons that they could have whatever they wanted. Dems ran old style liberals in 1984 and 1988. They got obliterated both times. Back then people making 15K a year, even into the 1990s, would tell you we need tax cuts for the rich because it trickles down to everyone and that makes the economy work. More than Obama, Sanders, or anybody else, Clinton ended that way of thinking so that now tax cuts for the rich are rightly seen for what they are - a way to line the pockets of big bucks GOP donors.

[Kepler]

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Your time is over, Rover.

You should start coalescing the new Republican party with Bloomberg and Schultz. There's going to be room on the right when the Dumpies fall through the ice.

The electoral bells are ringing for me and my girl.

[Rover]

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Your time is over, Rover.

You just go on believing that, sparky. I have no use for Bloomberg and Schultz. However I won't let you revise history in order to get into Bernie's pants. 1) the dude's married, and 2) you're doing "the cause" more harm than good if you continue to trash every Dem (Obama included) who came before the 2016 election. Good luck fighting a war with half an army. All we're missing is your latent misogyny.

[Kepler]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: Weekend at Bernie's

All we're missing is your latent misogyny.

IALTO.

You should check in on Kos, my friend. You and your kind ruled the roost in 2016. Now?