2020 Democratic Challengers III: Weekend at Bernie's

[WeAreNDHockey]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: Weekend at Bernie's

Um, Amy K is a (D). The Star Trib link (which I cannot link since I don't subscribe online) said she isn't progressive (read: liberal) enough to be a viable candidate. It seems many of today's (D)s DO want the pendulum to swing to the other extreme, and I am not for that.

Well then you will continue to be part of the problem Brent. Fact is what is called swinging to the other extreme is most often a slight correction back towards the center. Only one party has swung significantly towards an extreme in the last 40 years, and it ain't the democrats. For every AOC who espouses some pretty significant movement leftward there are 50 republicans who move even further to the right. It is a fvcking myth the the democrats have moved leftward. For my entire lifetime they have slowly creeped to the right. If we elected the democrat that is running in every single election in 2020 the country would be about as liberal as it was socially and economically in 1965. Last time I checked no one was calling us a socialist country in 1965. Brent you too are a victim of 40 years of constant republican propaganda about the left. No you don't lean as far to the right as many and I know you are often as troubled by trump as the rest of us, but you have absolutely fallen for too much of the right's propaganda. Vote however the hell you want, that's what America is all about, but don't believe for a minute if you vote for someone currently calling him or herself a republican that you're doing anything but adding to the problem. I very badly want two parties of competing ideas from either end of the political spectrum as a choice. But we absolutely do not have that with ANY republican right now, and haven't for at least a generation. It took me over a decade to realize that, but I thank God I did. Learn from other's mistakes.

[trixR4kids]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: Weekend at Bernie's

Yeah Kepler is to blame for a bunch of racists voting for fascism.

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: Weekend at Bernie's

Strange. I wonder why that would be.

The response is what dx posted.

Centrism is bullsh-t

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Xtd4tds-I0U

My addition is this:

The Republicans and centrists can all **** off.

[trixR4kids]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: Weekend at Bernie's

Brent isn't a centrist, he's a both-sideist right wing troll and is basically in the same realm as Drew (except Drew doesn't have people jumping to his defense via some weird paternal instinct).

[Drew S.]

Brent isn't a centrist, he's a both-sideist right wing troll and is basically in the same realm as Drew (except Drew doesn't have people jumping to his defense via some weird paternal instinct).

I view it more in terms of believers vs non-believers. You and a lot of the other posters believe in the Dems where Brent and I don’t believe in either party.

[dxmnkd316]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: Weekend at Bernie's

apparently Klobuchar raised over $1 million this weekend alone.

That’s a big ****ing number.

[trixR4kids]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: Weekend at Bernie's

I view it more in terms of believers vs non-believers. You and a lot of the other posters believe in the Dems where Brent and I don’t believe in either party.

I believe in the progressive wing of the party to fix more problems in this country and I believe in the centrists to do less harm than the derper party. Whether it's the debt that you pretend to care about, the environment, anything related to science for that matter, not getting involved in more endless wars that only cause more suffering, not making the country more undemocratic than it already is, slowing the growth of income for the 1%, or anything related to racism and immigration, the centrists are at the very least slightly better on all of these issues even if I have various critiques of them. Saying both sides are to blame on when one is pouring a garden hose on the fire and the other is pouring gas on it is silly.

[SJHovey]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: Weekend at Bernie's

Yeah Kepler is to blame for a bunch of racists voting for fascism.

Kepler's not to blame, even though he may dream he has such influence.

I've asked this question before on this board. Has anyone ever wondered why candidates from the Democratic party, nationwide, struggle to even achieve 50% of the popular vote? Think about it. The positions they espouse should be extremely popular. You want to tax into submission the 1% holding most of the wealth in this country. You want to hold wall street and corporations' feet to the fire in terms of regulation. You favor a relaxed view of personal rights compared with the right. Jeebus, you should be getting 85% of the vote.

You know why you don't? YOU'RE DIKKS! (I don't mean you, literally. I'm referring in general to the populace of the left). You're a bunch of obnoxious, paternalistic, condescending, snarky, smartest guys in the room twats that just aren't that likeable. You're basically a bunch of Greg Marmalards scrambling around running for class president. 50% of the country doesn't like you, personally, because of your attitude towards the rest of us, so why vote for you no matter what you promise? And the meaner you get, the more you call the other side racist, fascist, deplorable, etc..., the more the heals will get dug in until it won't matter what you say, you will never receive their vote.

Now, maybe you can still carry 50% of the vote, +1, and win the elections and control the country. We're actually probably better off if that happens. But don't treat people like s*** and then act surprised when they don't vote for you.

[burd]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: Weekend at Bernie's

Kepler's not to blame, even though he may dream he has such influence.

I've asked this question before on this board. Has anyone ever wondered why candidates from the Democratic party, nationwide, struggle to even achieve 50% of the popular vote? Think about it. The positions they espouse should be extremely popular. You want to tax into submission the 1% holding most of the wealth in this country. You want to hold wall street and corporations' feet to the fire in terms of regulation. You favor a relaxed view of personal rights compared with the right. Jeebus, you should be getting 85% of the vote.

You know why you don't? YOU'RE DIKKS! (I don't mean you, literally. I'm referring in general to the populace of the left). You're a bunch of obnoxious, paternalistic, condescending, snarky, smartest guys in the room twats that just aren't that likeable. You're basically a bunch of Greg Marmalards scrambling around running for class president. 50% of the country doesn't like you, personally, because of your attitude towards the rest of us, so why vote for you no matter what you promise? And the meaner you get, the more you call the other side racist, fascist, deplorable, etc..., the more the heals will get dug in until it won't matter what you say, you will never receive their vote.

Now, maybe you can still carry 50% of the vote, +1, and win the elections and control the country. We're actually probably better off if that happens. But don't treat people like s*** and then act surprised when they don't vote for you.

That back flaring up this morning, Hovey?

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: Weekend at Bernie's

Kepler's not to blame, even though he may dream he has such influence.

I've asked this question before on this board. Has anyone ever wondered why candidates from the Democratic party, nationwide, struggle to even achieve 50% of the popular vote? Think about it. The positions they espouse should be extremely popular. You want to tax into submission the 1% holding most of the wealth in this country. You want to hold wall street and corporations' feet to the fire in terms of regulation. You favor a relaxed view of personal rights compared with the right. Jeebus, you should be getting 85% of the vote.

You know why you don't? YOU'RE DIKKS! (I don't mean you, literally. I'm referring in general to the populace of the left). You're a bunch of obnoxious, paternalistic, condescending, snarky, smartest guys in the room twats that just aren't that likeable. You're basically a bunch of Greg Marmalards scrambling around running for class president. 50% of the country doesn't like you, personally, because of your attitude towards the rest of us, so why vote for you no matter what you promise? And the meaner you get, the more you call the other side racist, fascist, deplorable, etc..., the more the heals will get dug in until it won't matter what you say, you will never receive their vote.

Now, maybe you can still carry 50% of the vote, +1, and win the elections and control the country. We're actually probably better off if that happens. But don't treat people like s*** and then act surprised when they don't vote for you.

Yes, exactly, and Trump, Paul Ryan, Turtle Boy, Dick Cheney, and the rest of them are so ****ing likeable. I mean, what the **** isn't to like about Trump?

The 35% of morons need never ever ever be placated too. Clinton called them deplorable. She was being nice.

[trixR4kids]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: Weekend at Bernie's

Kepler's not to blame, even though he may dream he has such influence.

I've asked this question before on this board. Has anyone ever wondered why candidates from the Democratic party, nationwide, struggle to even achieve 50% of the popular vote? Think about it. The positions they espouse should be extremely popular. You want to tax into submission the 1% holding most of the wealth in this country. You want to hold wall street and corporations' feet to the fire in terms of regulation. You favor a relaxed view of personal rights compared with the right. Jeebus, you should be getting 85% of the vote.

How are you measuring this though? Hillary was a uniquely terrible candidate who got over 50%. If you're talking all the down ballot races and combining them or something then that's a different story.

As far as "treating people like ****" it's mostly backlash against the majority of your party that thinks Obama is a secret Muslim, Hillary operates a criminal enterprise from a pizza shop, and believe whichever brown "other" of the day is causing all the problems in our society. Those people aren't going to be changed and there's no reason to even try. With the people closer to the center who can have an intelligent conversation it's a different story.

[trixR4kids]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: Weekend at Bernie's

bUt dEmS nEeD tO Be nIcEr

Trump uses racist, hateful and extreme rhetoric and it is radicalizing his supporters: pic.twitter.com/zd7Qfgj6jb

— Ryan Knight ���� (@ProudResister) February 13, 2019

Just attended my first ⁦@realDonaldTrump⁩ rally where my colleague BBC cameraman Rob Skeans was attacked by a Trump supporter. The crowd had been whipped up into a frenzy against the media by Trump and other speakers all night #TrumpElPaso pic.twitter.com/Oiw8osPms3

— Eleanor Montague (@EleanorMontague) February 12, 2019

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: Weekend at Bernie's

bUt dEmS nEeD tO Be nIcEr

Trump uses racist, hateful and extreme rhetoric and it is radicalizing his supporters: pic.twitter.com/zd7Qfgj6jb

— Ryan Knight ���� (@ProudResister) February 13, 2019

Just attended my first ⁦@realDonaldTrump⁩ rally where my colleague BBC cameraman Rob Skeans was attacked by a Trump supporter. The crowd had been whipped up into a frenzy against the media by Trump and other speakers all night #TrumpElPaso pic.twitter.com/Oiw8osPms3

— Eleanor Montague (@EleanorMontague) February 12, 2019

He's so likeable. That's why he won.

[Handyman]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: Weekend at Bernie's

Kepler's not to blame, even though he may dream he has such influence.

I've asked this question before on this board. Has anyone ever wondered why candidates from the Democratic party, nationwide, struggle to even achieve 50% of the popular vote? Think about it. The positions they espouse should be extremely popular. You want to tax into submission the 1% holding most of the wealth in this country. You want to hold wall street and corporations' feet to the fire in terms of regulation. You favor a relaxed view of personal rights compared with the right. Jeebus, you should be getting 85% of the vote.

You know why you don't? YOU'RE DIKKS! (I don't mean you, literally. I'm referring in general to the populace of the left). You're a bunch of obnoxious, paternalistic, condescending, snarky, smartest guys in the room twats that just aren't that likeable. You're basically a bunch of Greg Marmalards scrambling around running for class president. 50% of the country doesn't like you, personally, because of your attitude towards the rest of us, so why vote for you no matter what you promise? And the meaner you get, the more you call the other side racist, fascist, deplorable, etc..., the more the heals will get dug in until it won't matter what you say, you will never receive their vote.

Now, maybe you can still carry 50% of the vote, +1, and win the elections and control the country. We're actually probably better off if that happens. But don't treat people like s*** and then act surprised when they don't vote for you.

Greg Marmalarde was a Republican

And your whole thesis dies at the end. The GOP has been treating people like [bleep] for years and people still vote for them. The Dems may look down on people but at least they usually do what is in the people's best interest. The GOP condescends to people, lies to them, steals from them and THEN bends them over the barrel.

So no offense, but if people are too stupid to realize the annoying no it all lawyer who is defending them is better than the date rapist who violates them then constantly then they get what they deserve.

[Handyman]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers III: Weekend at Bernie's

bUt dEmS nEeD tO Be nIcEr

Trump uses racist, hateful and extreme rhetoric and it is radicalizing his supporters: pic.twitter.com/zd7Qfgj6jb

— Ryan Knight ���� (@ProudResister) February 13, 2019

Just attended my first ⁦@realDonaldTrump⁩ rally where my colleague BBC cameraman Rob Skeans was attacked by a Trump supporter. The crowd had been whipped up into a frenzy against the media by Trump and other speakers all night #TrumpElPaso pic.twitter.com/Oiw8osPms3

— Eleanor Montague (@EleanorMontague) February 12, 2019

Yeah but is he a know it all? See if Dems just were dumber that guy and the crowd at the rally would support them more.

I mean no that isnt true at all, but hey whatever.

You know I rail against elitism all the time but when it comes right down to it, I want elites to be in charge because they actually know what they are doing. The GOP is proof of what happens when the children are left in charge cause the parents quit trying. The GOP are the ******** kids who grew up rich and whose parents let them get away with murder all their life. They bought their way into an elite school, slept their way to a worthless degree and had daddy get them a job. They have never had to answer to anyone and they dont give a crap about anyone who isnt exactly like them. Yet somehow, they have convinced a lot of blue collar people they actually know the plight they live in and care about it...