AOC Rules!

[Shirtless Guy]

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This, right here, is a problem.

Institutions can engage in unlimited financing of fossil fuels, building unstable pipelines + reaping profits, but when the bill comes to clean up oil spills & fix damages - they can conveniently kick the can.

So, who will pay for climate change? https://t.co/TlfmJKVwjb

— Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (@AOC) March 12, 2019

I'm not sure what to make of this take...financing something doesn't mean they should be liable does it?

[ScoobyDoo]

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I'm not sure what to make of this take...financing something doesn't mean they should be liable does it?

I'm with you there. I think her point is that the people using the pipeline aren't paying for the clean up either. That scenario has played out thousands of times and we as a society continue to just let it happen.

Maybe her point is that they should not be financing it unless clean up is part of the deal. But, that would be government regulation which we can't have because, Republicans.

[SJHovey]

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and by School I mean tier 1.

Basically, the schools where you get in by pretending to be on the crew team as Mommy writes a big check?

[Rover]

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Law school, business school and other forms of vocational training do not count.

By Graduate I mean liberal arts and by School I mean tier 1.

Liberal arts = lost ambitions. Why do you need two extra years to learn underwater basket weaving?

[Kepler]

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Liberal arts = lost ambitions. Why do you need two extra years to learn underwater basket weaving?

Thank you for making my point for me perfectly.

[Rover]

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Thank you for making my point for me perfectly.

No problem chief. Good thing you married up or I'm not sure that Elizabethan Literature grad degree would be paying the bills right now.

[Kepler]

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No problem chief. Good thing you married up or I'm not sure that Elizabethan Literature grad degree would be paying the bills right now.

I wasn't close to smart enough for Elizabethan Literature. That's how I wound up in technology. No imagination.

[ScoobyDoo]

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I wasn't close to smart enough for Elizabethan Literature. That's how I wound up in technology. No imagination.

Yes, that's how I look at it. I wasn't good enough for that either.

[5mn_Major]

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I'm with you there. I think her point is that the people using the pipeline aren't paying for the clean up either. That scenario has played out thousands of times and we as a society continue to just let it happen.

Maybe her point is that they should not be financing it unless clean up is part of the deal. But, that would be government regulation which we can't have because, Republicans.

Makes no sense to me. "Institutions can engage in unlimited financing of fossil fuels, building unstable pipelines + reaping profits, but when the bill comes to clean up oil spills & fix damages - they can conveniently kick the can."

If you're liable if you finance something, 1) Dakota will just cut costs - afterall, Wells is forced to pay for catastrophies. Where does it end? Wells would then be responsible for unlimited homeowner negligence? 2) cost to borrow anything would skyrocket - financial institutions would and pretty much must pass on the costs. When posters on a message board can poke holes in ideas...they're not well thought out.

[Kepler]

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Yes, that's how I look at it. I wasn't good enough for that either.

The great thing is, the classics are free. We are a society where a Kennedy School public policy certification costs $100k but the entire corpus of Greek and Roman literature is digitized and online available absolutely free.

Money and toys are how we keep the dummies occupied and out of our hair, so we can enjoy what's important.

[ScoobyDoo]

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Makes no sense to me. "Institutions can engage in unlimited financing of fossil fuels, building unstable pipelines + reaping profits, but when the bill comes to clean up oil spills & fix damages - they can conveniently kick the can."

If you're liable if you finance something, 1) Dakota will just cut costs - afterall, Wells is forced to pay for catastrophies. Where does it end? Wells would then be responsible for unlimited homeowner negligence? 2) cost to borrow anything would skyrocket - financial institutions would and pretty much must pass on the costs. When posters on a message board can poke holes in ideas...they're not well thought out.

What makes no sense?

The fact is no one is paying for the clean up except the taxpayer. Everyone else involved in the project is reaping profit. It's classic privatize the profits and socialize the losses. It's also classic Republican Socialism. Which, the Democrats should be hanging around every one of their necks.

[rufus]

Me too. We spent more time at the bar than discussing whacko conspiracy theories!

Education's what you make of it.

[rufus]

What makes no sense?

The fact is no one is paying for the clean up except the taxpayer. Everyone else involved in the project is reaping profit. It's classic privatize the profits and socialize the losses. It's also classic Republican Socialism. Which, the Democrats should be hanging around every one of their necks.

Skin in the game. Republicans are always lecturing poor people that they need some.

[Kepler]

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Which, the Democrats should be hanging around every one of their necks.

We should, but the sad things is plenty of our side are implicated too.

It's like the GWOT. Had we held the line on principles right from the start we'd be in a much better position, but instead the triangulators and the pragmatists dragged us down into the muck with them.

Superior moral instincts don't matter if you don't act on them, and the ethically repellent will always be after you to compromise yourself to justify and insulate themselves.

Wonder how Biden feels now about all those times he was "moderate" on Anita Hill or school integration or mass incarceration? If he had stood by liberal views then he'd have nothing to apologize for now. Wonder how Hillary feels about voting for the Iraq Debacle, when everybody knew she didn't believe in it, she was just a coward? She'd be President now, but no, instead she let "cooler heads" prevail.

The middle of the road is where you find all the corpses.

[5mn_Major]

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What makes no sense?

The fact is no one is paying for the clean up except the taxpayer. Everyone else involved in the project is reaping profit. It's classic privatize the profits and socialize the losses. It's also classic Republican Socialism. Which, the Democrats should be hanging around every one of their necks.

"Institutions can engage in unlimited financing of fossil fuels, building unstable pipelines + reaping profits, but when the bill comes to clean up oil spills & fix damages - they can conveniently kick the can."

If you're liable if you finance something, 1) Dakota will just cut costs - afterall, Wells is forced to pay for catastrophies. Where does it end? Wells would then be responsible for unlimited homeowner negligence? 2) cost to borrow anything would skyrocket - financial institutions would and pretty much must pass on the costs. When posters on a message board can poke holes in ideas...they're not well thought out.