POTUS 45:46: New Year, Same 'Ol Crap.

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

Re: POTUS 45:46: New Year, Same 'Ol Crap.

Honestly at this point I think humans need to die off. Reading the reports of the behavior at our national parks has convinced me

[rufus]

Re: POTUS 45:46: New Year, Same 'Ol Crap.

He still doesn't understand that China isn't being "charged" for these tariffs. US businesses and consumers are.

Or else he's just lying. Your choice.

[burd]

Re: POTUS 45:46: New Year, Same 'Ol Crap.

He still doesn't understand that China isn't being "charged" for these tariffs. US businesses and consumers are.

Or else he's just lying. Your choice.

Tough choice. A habitual liar who is dumb as a post. A combination that has charmed his base.

[rufus]

Re: POTUS 45:46: New Year, Same 'Ol Crap.

Tough choice. A habitual liar who is dumb as a post. A combination that has charmed his base.

Who are for the most part, dumb as posts.

[5mn_Major]

Re: POTUS 45:46: New Year, Same 'Ol Crap.

The United States Treasury has taken in MANY billions of dollars from the Tariffs we are charging China and other countries that have not treated us fairly. In the meantime we are doing well in various Trade Negotiations currently going on. At some point this had to be done!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 3, 2019

Tariffs cause a reduction in economy wide purchases due to higher prices companies pay for steel based products (leaving reduced tax intake for the government)...AND consumers purchase fewer higher priced products which has the same effects as increasing taxes on them (which leaves us at a net negative).

Why are these conservatives so bad on the economy? Tariffs don't generate cash...they drain it.

[5mn_Major]

Re: POTUS 45:46: New Year, Same 'Ol Crap.

I'm kind of curious. Is this the new rule now? If a voter group supports and votes for a candidate, they are required to quietly accept and support every action that person takes once they are in office? So, if the people in this Indiana community voted for Trump because they want his stupid wall, or if they voted for him because they supported his tax cut, or if they voted for him because they expected him to try to keep jobs from going overseas, or any of the hundreds of other reasons they may have chosen to vote for him, now they are "morons" because they choose to challenge an environmental position the administration takes?

Good to know. I'm going to have to keep that one in mind.

While I get your premise. You must realize that dealing with the GOP is like playing Russian roulette. In the end, the chances of an average person having a good outcome is about nil.

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: POTUS 45:46: New Year, Same 'Ol Crap.

While I get your premise. You must realize that dealing with the GOP is like playing Russian roulette. In the end, the chances of an average person having a good outcome is about nil.

I don't think he or "the alternative is worse" Joe understand that. Neither does the centrist. It was interesting listening to the Today interview of Nancy Pelosi. She said the hardest thing about negotiating with Trump is they can't even agree on a set of facts. Get that? Facts are facts. But, in the Trump administration there are no facts. And in the Republican Party there are no facts.

And that's why debating anything in politics nowadays is virtually impossible. Because there are no facts to use as a basis for the argument.

Of course, I am just misleading you right now.

[St. Clown]

Re: POTUS 45:46: New Year, Same 'Ol Crap.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/01/o...NCIoG0YXTjDkvs

I suppose I didn't read this either and I am intentionally misleading you. Read at your own risk.

How many deaths have you died today, little boy?

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: POTUS 45:46: New Year, Same 'Ol Crap.

How many deaths have you died today, little boy?

Is that all you got? You're going to have to do much better than that. You need to save these people from my misleading posts. They're counting on you.

[unofan]

I'm kind of curious. Is this the new rule now? If a voter group supports and votes for a candidate, they are required to quietly accept and support every action that person takes once they are in office? So, if the people in this Indiana community voted for Trump because they want his stupid wall, or if they voted for him because they supported his tax cut, or if they voted for him because they expected him to try to keep jobs from going overseas, or any of the hundreds of other reasons they may have chosen to vote for him, now they are "morons" because they choose to challenge an environmental position the administration takes?

Good to know. I'm going to have to keep that one in mind.

They are morons because they voted for a snake oil salesman despite everyone telling them he was a snake oil salesman and are now surprised to find out he is a snake oil salesman.

[rufus]

I don't think he or "the alternative is worse" Joe understand that. Neither does the centrist. It was interesting listening to the Today interview of Nancy Pelosi. She said the hardest thing about negotiating with Trump is they can't even agree on a set of facts. Get that? Facts are facts. But, in the Trump administration there are no facts. And in the Republican Party there are no facts.

And that's why debating anything in politics nowadays is virtually impossible. Because there are no facts to use as a basis for the argument.

Of course, I am just misleading you right now.

Facts are whatever you want them to be.

[Drew S.]

Re: POTUS 45:46: New Year, Same 'Ol Crap.

I think for most people who switched or wouldn’t have traditionally voted for Trump he was a vote against the status quo more than anything else. I doubt many of them weighed the positives and negatives.

[5mn_Major]

Re: POTUS 45:46: New Year, Same 'Ol Crap.

I think for most people who switched or wouldn’t have traditionally voted for Trump he was a vote against the status quo more than anything else. I doubt many of them weighed the positives and negatives.

There is some truth to this. There has been quite a bit of anger about getting left out of the growth seen in cities and distrust of those in power. We even see some of it here.

Unfortunately, that doesn't translate into good governance.

[rufus]

I think for most people who switched or wouldn’t have traditionally voted for Trump he was a vote against the status quo more than anything else. I doubt many of them weighed the positives and negatives.

That's what smart people do when making a decision. Weigh the positives and negatives.

He was a vote against the CU Next Tuesday.

[Handyman]

I'm kind of curious. Is this the new rule now? If a voter group supports and votes for a candidate, they are required to quietly accept and support every action that person takes once they are in office? So, if the people in this Indiana community voted for Trump because they want his stupid wall, or if they voted for him because they supported his tax cut, or if they voted for him because they expected him to try to keep jobs from going overseas, or any of the hundreds of other reasons they may have chosen to vote for him, now they are "morons" because they choose to challenge an environmental position the administration takes?

Good to know. I'm going to have to keep that one in mind.

Required...no? They do have to accept the deal they made with the devil. That is why I stopped caring about Flint Michigan when they stayed home in November 2016.

They can fix it in 2020...but the Trumpers won't especially the ones interviewed. They will stay home or vote Trump.