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    Quote Originally Posted by Fishman'81 View Post
    A "fighting" DQ includes the game in question and the next one as well, IIRC... Ergo, Balsamo will miss 60:04 of actual ice-time. No doubt that fact figured-into his calculus when he went ape- s*** in the closing seconds.

    This particular transgression was so beyond the pale that some body or the other needs to sit him for an extended number of games, if you ask me. If he gets off with simply missing a single game, that sends the wrong
    message entirely. I wouldn't object to seeing him suspended for the
    season, as a matter of fact.

    That beat-down was a criminal act. Why it would be tolerated in our game is beyond me. Truly.
    Balsamo only got a misconduct and wIl not be missing any games. It was #23 Bachnak who was in the fight. He got the 5-10- and 10 DQ

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fishman'81 View Post
    That beat-down was a criminal act. Why it would be tolerated in our game is beyond me. Truly.
    You and I often butt heads, but I absolutely agree with you here. That was assault.

    The inaction of those referees is inexcusable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fishman'81 View Post
    A "fighting" DQ includes the game in question and the next one as well, IIRC... Ergo, Balsamo will miss 60:04 of actual ice-time. No doubt that fact figured-into his calculus when he went ape- s*** in the closing seconds.

    This particular transgression was so beyond the pale that some body or the other needs to sit him for an extended number of games, if you ask me. If he gets off with simply missing a single game, that sends the wrong message entirely. I wouldn't object to seeing him suspended for the season, as a matter of fact.

    That beat-down was a criminal act. Why it would be tolerated in our game is beyond me. Truly.
    I think full season is a bit much as its not like there haven't been fights before but wow that was bad. I think the DQ plus a couple more might make sense but after watching that I also think that if the league does nothing or issues no statement on this at all that its leadership is a joke and its member institutions should be ashamed. Otherwise congratulations NCHA you have the biggest joke in div 3 hockey in your league and do nothing at all about it. which makes me wonder who the joke then really is.

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    Re: Salve Regina @ Adrian 12-8-18

    Their league affiliation isnít the problem, the culture at their school is.

    They were pulling this same crap back when they were beating up on the old MCHA and post-season play was a pipe dream for them (anyone remember Minnesota-Crookston?)

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    Re: Salve Regina @ Adrian 12-8-18

    Hopefully some future recruits find this message board and see this thread to get an idea about the culture of this program.

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    Quote Originally Posted by d3hockey57 View Post
    Hopefully some future recruits find this message board and see this thread to get an idea about the culture of this program.
    Actually, the school is probably a blast for recruits to visit (especially if the recruits academic prospects are less than stellar.) Seems to me hockey players are allowed to do whatever they want there.

    Watch them hang 10 on Finlandia or Lawrence, get wasted at the hockey house, maybe bully a nerd or two late night...

    What could be better for the type of 20 year old AC seems to always attract?

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    Quote Originally Posted by altazo View Post
    Actually, the school is probably a blast for recruits to visit (especially if the recruits academic prospects are less than stellar.) Seems to me hockey players are allowed to do whatever they want there.

    Watch them hang 10 on Finlandia or Lawrence, get wasted at the hockey house, maybe bully a nerd or two late night...

    What could be better for the type of 20 year old AC seems to always attract?
    From what I've seen of programs that do this stuff (not just hockey), they'll be allowed to continue until they go ahead and start assaulting their own students, at which point the AD will keep it quiet, kick some underclassmen off the team immediately and then quietly encourage the HC to find another job over the summer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by elbojpb View Post
    I'm assuming you were there. What was your assessment of the fight and the events leading thereto?
    Every team has their own style of play.
    Its just part of the Adrian culture. You can see it by the crowd reaction. The announcer being amused by it all. The players and how they carry themselves

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam_Krug#1 View Post
    Every team has their own style of play.
    Its just part of the Adrian culture. You can see it by the crowd reaction. The announcer being amused by it all. The players and how they carry themselves
    That "culture" certainly does not belong in D3Hockey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam_Krug#1 View Post
    Every team has their own style of play.
    Its just part of the Adrian culture. You can see it by the crowd reaction. The announcer being amused by it all. The players and how they carry themselves
    We're not talking about "style of play" here. The BS the other night was sucker-punch cowardice. it wasn't hockey, it was utter horse-s***.

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    Re: Salve Regina @ Adrian 12-8-18

    So whatís the over-under that Adrian tries to fight players on the U.S. National Under-18 January 8th? Hopefully Jack Hughes is still recovering from a world junior championship, and is held out of this game because it wouldnít surprise me if Krug tries to make a name for himself, and tells his players to go after the potential 2019 number one overall pick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam_Krug#1 View Post
    Every team has their own style of play.
    Its just part of the Adrian culture. You can see it by the crowd reaction. The announcer being amused by it all. The players and how they carry themselves
    If that's the culture of the Institution, there are problems far greater than what is happening on the ice. To begin, I imagine that ACTV, the airer of the game is funded with College funds. I cannot imagine the institution would want that play-by-play person to be the voice of the college. That video is available on Youtube, and definitely presents the face of the college to the general public.

    Second, if this was the first series between these two institutions, I wonder how the bad blood was created so quickly. Sometimes, even in college hockey, fights happen. But what happened in this game was a "mugging". The camera guy was probably watching the game and decided not to follow the play with the camera, so the initial blows were not recorded. But when one place gets the upper hand, as did the AC player, he landed a couple of real solid blows, the game dictates, at all levels, the altercation has been won, time to back off. I would agree that if the second participant wants to keep going, sure. However, this did not seem to be the case. As I said, this was a mugging.

    At the upper levels, the different conferences issue suspensions, I am assuming that D3 does not do this.

    Does anyone know if this is a multi year commitment?

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    Still no suspensions handed down from the NCHA. So unless this is the NFL and Tom Brady where it takes 6 months to suspend I suspect nothing further to see here. Move along.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam_Krug#1 View Post
    Still no suspensions handed down from the NCHA. So unless this is the NFL and Tom Brady where it takes 6 months to suspend I suspect nothing further to see here. Move along.
    I think you may be right, which speaks volumes as to what culture the NCHA wants to project. Kind of hard to believe that the other institutions in the conference want that as the face of their conference and schools.

    The only thing I can imagine is that with the holiday break, the conference has not taken it up yet... ya, probably not!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dinocoach View Post
    At the upper levels, the different conferences issue suspensions, I am assuming that D3 does not do this.
    D3 definitely works this way also.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dinocoach View Post
    If that's the culture of the Institution, there are problems far greater than what is happening on the ice. To begin, I imagine that ACTV, the airer of the game is funded with College funds. I cannot imagine the institution would want that play-by-play person to be the voice of the college. That video is available on Youtube, and definitely presents the face of the college to the general public.

    Second, if this was the first series between these two institutions, I wonder how the bad blood was created so quickly. Sometimes, even in college hockey, fights happen. But what happened in this game was a "mugging". The camera guy was probably watching the game and decided not to follow the play with the camera, so the initial blows were not recorded. But when one place gets the upper hand, as did the AC player, he landed a couple of real solid blows, the game dictates, at all levels, the altercation has been won, time to back off. I would agree that if the second participant wants to keep going, sure. However, this did not seem to be the case. As I said, this was a mugging.

    At the upper levels, the different conferences issue suspensions, I am assuming that D3 does not do this.

    Does anyone know if this is a multi year commitment?
    This was only the 2nd time these teams have met. Last year in the Codfish Bowl in Boston Salve beat Adrian 6-2. 10 minor penalties called in that game 6 for Salve 4 for Adrian.

    Really surprised the NCHA hasn't done anything or issued a statement. Referee suspensions or disciplines or Supplemental discipline for the players?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nefan View Post
    This was only the 2nd time these teams have met. Last year in the Codfish Bowl in Boston Salve beat Adrian 6-2. 10 minor penalties called in that game 6 for Salve 4 for Adrian.

    Really surprised the NCHA hasn't done anything or issued a statement. Referee suspensions or disciplines or Supplemental discipline for the players?
    Well, it's D-3... Only sanctimonious when it wants to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fishman'81 View Post
    Well, it's D-3... Only sanctimonious when it wants to be.
    The bottom line is the two referees are not very experienced and almost got an athlete very seriously hurt by allowing a fight to go on and allow a player to be put in a vulnerable position for some time without stepping in. They are cowards and completely unqualified for this level of play and it showed for this series. Two top teams in the country come together and they turned it into a special teams series by calling 20 penalties each game. I watch division one and pro hockey and it is nowhere near the amount of penalties called in division 3. The game is being ruined and taken out of athletes hands. People donít come to watch referees blow the whistle and take over games. The same pair of referees were used for both nights I see also which seems odd to me. Has anyone else ever seen that before. I read that the Salve Regina players actually raised the money to fly out to play Adrian because the school does not give them much of a budget at all. For instance in their run to the NCAA tournament last year I read they had to buy sticks from a local pro shop and borrow tape and other supplies from the other teams in the frozen four. If this is true itís a real shame what is happening in division 3 Hockey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluehockey11 View Post
    The bottom line is the two referees are not very experienced and almost got an athlete very seriously hurt by allowing a fight to go on and allow a player to be put in a vulnerable position for some time without stepping in. They are cowards and completely unqualified for this level of play and it showed for this series. Two top teams in the country come together and they turned it into a special teams series by calling 20 penalties each game. I watch division one and pro hockey and it is nowhere near the amount of penalties called in division 3. The game is being ruined and taken out of athletes hands. People donít come to watch referees blow the whistle and take over games. The same pair of referees were used for both nights I see also which seems odd to me. Has anyone else ever seen that before. I read that the Salve Regina players actually raised the money to fly out to play Adrian because the school does not give them much of a budget at all. For instance in their run to the NCAA tournament last year I read they had to buy sticks from a local pro shop and borrow tape and other supplies from the other teams in the frozen four. If this is true itís a real shame what is happening in division 3 Hockey.
    Canít agree with you more regarding the first half of your statement. Referees, Adrian Officisls, coaches, and NCHA commissioner have all done nothing since this fight occurs two weeks ago. Thatís the biggest disgrace. No suspensions to anyone???

    Regarding the 2nd half of your statement. A lot of D3 teams raise money for trips, sticks, gear, etc... Thatís the norm for most. Some have a lot more alumni support than others and donít have to work so hard to get those extra funds. Also you see a lot of the D# Tehranís that deal directly with the local pro shops through the manufacturer top get gear, sticks, skates, etc... So heading over to the local pro shop to grab a stick or trade on in is normal. I also seriously doubt the borrowing of tape from the other teams actually occurred In Lake Placid, but you never know. With Salveís recent success hopefully some alum or two with strep up and help their rink situation. A move over to St. Georgeís closer to campus and a build out new locker room and coaches area would be great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nefan View Post
    Can’t agree with you more regarding the first half of your statement. Referees, Adrian Officisls, coaches, and NCHA commissioner have all done nothing since this fight occurs two weeks ago. That’s the biggest disgrace. No suspensions to anyone???

    Regarding the 2nd half of your statement. A lot of D3 teams raise money for trips, sticks, gear, etc... That’s the norm for most. Some have a lot more alumni support than others and don’t have to work so hard to get those extra funds. Also you see a lot of the D# Tehran’s that deal directly with the local pro shops through the manufacturer top get gear, sticks, skates, etc... So heading over to the local pro shop to grab a stick or trade on in is normal. I also seriously doubt the borrowing of tape from the other teams actually occurred In Lake Placid, but you never know. With Salve’s recent success hopefully some alum or two with strep up and help their rink situation. A move over to St. George’s closer to campus and a build out new locker room and coaches area would be great.
    As the parent of a Salve Alum, I can say the school is not shy when it comes to fundraising...but it is understandable the recent success of the program may have been sooner than expected and they have not mounted a campaign for athletics or hockey in particular. Yes, all programs have some sort of external fundraising - the Blue Line Club in Oz has been very active and supportive for years....essential part of the program......
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