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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott_TG View Post
    I don't think the hockey programs can just play up to D1 like that. I think UST would have to go D1 as a whole, and that process would take about a decade to 12 years if they do every step right away and right the first time. If they go D2 it's likely a death blow for their hockey programs.
    D2 for women is synonymous with D1 as they play for the same championship.

    D2 for men is problematic as new playups are now verboten.

    And Russ - you're right. If a current or new D2 men's team declares they want to play in the D1 championship, they can, if they meet the other requirements.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott_TG View Post
    I don't think so. While that is true about the D1 championship on paper, I think in practice it would be impossible for an independent D2 hockey team to meet the scheduling requirements and even if they somehow did get enough D1/D2 games on the schedule, I don't think they would be able to schedule and beat enough quality opponents to qualify for an at-large bid to the D1 tourney.
    This is completely besides the point and has nothing to do with what I'm asking. The point is CAN they officially play in the D1 tournament? If so, then all "hockey" schools need to do is move up to D2 as a school, and not D1.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Russell Jaslow View Post
    This is completely besides the point and has nothing to do with what I'm asking. The point is CAN they officially play in the D1 tournament? If so, then all "hockey" schools need to do is move up to D2 as a school, and not D1.
    Sorry for misinterpreting. Yes, they can. Current bylaws regarding this went into effect in 1992.

    Relevant NCAA Bylaws:

    20.8.2 Division II Options When No Division II Championship Is Conducted.
    An active member institution that holds membership in Division II is eligible to compete in the Division I championship in those sports for which no championship is conducted in Division II. The Division II institution shall declare its intention to compete by June 1. This declaration of intent shall be effective for a minimum of three years.

    20.8.2.1 Participation in Division I Championship:
    To be eligible for the Division I championship in such a sport, the Division II member institution is required to meet all Division I institutional and individual eligibility requirements and may use Division I financial aid limitations in that sport as permitted under Bylaw
    20.9.1.1.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott_TG View Post
    Sorry for misinterpreting. Yes, they can. Current bylaws regarding this went into effect in 1992.

    Relevant NCAA Bylaws:

    20.8.2 Division II Options When No Division II Championship Is Conducted.
    An active member institution that holds membership in Division II is eligible to compete in the Division I championship in those sports for which no championship is conducted in Division II. The Division II institution shall declare its intention to compete by June 1. This declaration of intent shall be effective for a minimum of three years.

    20.8.2.1 Participation in Division I Championship:
    To be eligible for the Division I championship in such a sport, the Division II member institution is required to meet all Division I institutional and individual eligibility requirements and may use Division I financial aid limitations in that sport as permitted under Bylaw
    20.9.1.1.
    That second bylaw is interesting.

    It implies that a D2 team playing for the D1 title can offer scholarships at the D1 level. I would have thought they still have to follow D2 scholarship rules.

    The fact that these bylaws were written in 1992 before the NCAA banned one-sport play-ups under normal circumstances, seems to have opened this loophole for D2 institutions in a sport where there is no D2 national championship.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Russell Jaslow View Post
    That second bylaw is interesting.

    It implies that a D2 team playing for the D1 title can offer scholarships at the D1 level. I would have thought they still have to follow D2 scholarship rules.

    The fact that these bylaws were written in 1992 before the NCAA banned one-sport play-ups under normal circumstances, seems to have opened this loophole for D2 institutions in a sport where there is no D2 national championship.
    The loophole hasn't been tested before because typically the DII schools never played enough D1/D2 contests to meet the scheduling requirement.

    It's why the NEWHA will start giving out athletic scholarships to its players and scheduling D1 non-conference opponents instead of DIII starting in 19-20. They will have enough teams for an autobid in 21-22 if they can maintain their membership for the probationary seasons of 19-20 and 20-21.

    I still think St. Thomas would have a lot of difficulty as the lone western DII program. There isn't much incentive for the D1 programs to schedule them and the NEWHA has enough teams for an autobid so I don't see how they justify the expense of including them in that arrangement. Is there something I'm missing that would entice the western D1 teams to schedule a D2 St. Thomas?

    EDIT: Couple of good posts from The Ice Garden and BC Interruption on the NEWHA and the possibility of the NEWHA teams actually making use of rule 20.8.2:

    https://www.theicegarden.com/2018/9/...key-conference

    https://www.bcinterruption.com/bosto...ls-anselm-post
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    Re: D3 18-19 season

    From the Star Tribune's Randy Johnson's "PUCK DROP" hockey blog

    St. Thomas decision will have hockey implications
    The MIAC saga, with St. Thomas being “involuntarily removed’’ from the conference, has some hockey implications. First, of course, the MIAC will be losing two strong programs. The Tommies men, under coach Jeff Boeser, have won six conference regular-seasons titles in eight years. The St. Thomas women, under coach Tom Palkowski, have four MIAC regular-season titles and two NCAA Frozen Four appearances. This season, the Tommies won the league regular-season and tournament title and were host to the Division III women’s Frozen Four before falling to conference rival Hamline in the semifinals.

    It’ll be interesting to see where St. Thomas lands. If it chooses to stay in Division III, the Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference could be a relatively seamless option for hockey purposes. If St. Thomas opts to move to Division II, and presumably the Northern Sun Athletic Conference, then that’s a signal it would pursue Division I in hockey because the NCAA doesn’t have Division II hockey, and D-II teams aren’t allowed to play in Division III.
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    Lawrence University adding women's hockey program starting in 2020

    https://www.postcrescent.com/story/s...20/1551535001/
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    Sarah Hughson (Elmira '18), Taylor Steadman (Castleton '16) and Cherie Stewart (Manhattanville '05) were on Team USA for the ISBHF Ball Hockey World Championships, with Hughson scoring a goal and two assists, Steadman scoring 3 goals, and Stewart with a goal and 4 assists in the tourney. Team USA took the silver medal, losing 4-2 to Canada in the championship. Canada wins the tourney for the first time since 2015.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott_TG View Post
    Sarah Hughson (Elmira '18), Taylor Steadman (Castleton '16) and Cherie Stewart (Manhattanville '05) were on Team USA for the ISBHF Ball Hockey World Championships, with Hughson scoring a goal and two assists, Steadman scoring 3 goals, and Stewart with a goal and 4 assists in the tourney. Team USA took the silver medal, losing 4-2 to Canada in the championship. Canada wins the tourney for the first time since 2015.
    Clearly a slow sports news day....lol.

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    Re: D3 18-19 season

    There's some DIII ties to Team USA competing in Senior Women's Inline Hockey event at the 2019 World Roller Games in Barcelona. The event began late last week but the Senior Women's Inline Hockey competition kicks off this coming weekend. Players with DIII ties are:

    Sarah Bier - Marian '17
    Allison Era - Plattsburgh '14
    Sarah Sinning - Manhattanville '18
    Ashley Furia - While Furia played D1 for North Dakota, her post-playing coaching career include Assistant Coach stints at Utica and SUNY Cortland.

    Pool Play schedule for Team USA:

    July 6th: France
    July 7th: Italy
    July 8th: Taiwan
    July 9th: New Zealand
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    Re: D3 18-19 season

    Quote Originally Posted by D2D View Post
    Lawrence University adding women's hockey program starting in 2020

    https://www.postcrescent.com/story/s...20/1551535001/
    Lawrence has named Jocey Kleiber as their inaugural head coach. Kleiber was the assistant at Stevenson the last three seasons.
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