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    Well, Harvard can't skate with the Beanpot, but they sure as hell can skate with BU. (Maybe they'll get a few ARVs. )
    Quite a game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdtime's . . . View Post
    If by “skate with BC” you mean have as talented a roster, then no, they can’t, and no one’s claiming otherwise. If by “skate with BC” you mean can beat them playing a game of ice hockey, then yes, they can, and everyone knows that.

    Sheesh! Were you not excited in the least to see that win?
    Of course I was excited to see them win. Anytime you beat BC it's a great day. But I'll stand by my original post. And for the record, I'm not sure how you can not have as talented a roster but still 'skate' with a team stride for stride. Because you and I were watching a different game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdtime's . . . View Post
    Well, Harvard can't skate with the Beanpot, but they sure as hell can skate with BU. (Maybe they'll get a few ARVs. )
    Quite a game.
    Agree although it was a soulcrusher to lose the way they did. Not saying that the penalty shouldn't have been called but it would have been nice to see them continue to go 5 on 5 because they were toe to toe all night long. Both goalies were magnificent.

    See I can give credit where credit is due. What I'd like to see is Harvard channel last night's effort and energy into the rest of the season. They could then give the top four in the ECAC something to think about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skate79 View Post
    Agree although it was a soulcrusher to lose the way they did. Not saying that the penalty shouldn't have been called but it would have been nice to see them continue to go 5 on 5 because they were toe to toe all night long. Both goalies were magnificent.

    See I can give credit where credit is due. What I'd like to see is Harvard channel last night's effort and energy into the rest of the season. They could then give the top four in the ECAC something to think about.
    What makes you think that they are not giving the top 4 something to think about. If they aren’t, a wake up call is looming.

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    I'm not sure how you can not have as talented a roster but still 'skate' with a team stride for stride.
    One man’s “stride for stride” or “toe to toe” need not be another man's “skate with.” It may be a distinction without a difference, but “skate with” helps me get at what’s special about the Crimson right now: Harvard was undaunted by the strength of their Beanpot opponents. It’s as simple as that, and it has to do with determination and discipline more than anything else, given how this season has been. Remember, there were lines and D pairings that probably can’t point to more than a handful of games when they skated together as a unit. So, healthy at last (save for the important exception of Tresca) and hosting the Beanpot, they were energized to the max and played for the first time as if they realized what was being asked from the talent that they themselves have. And yes, it’s critical that they take their newly found identity into this weekend. Can they now skate with Clarkson? I think so.

    Can’t end a Beanpot post without a little provocation: How was BU not called on the apparent take-down from behind of Hughes in OT? I know both teams got away with some, but wow. Would love to hear the forum brass weigh in on that one.

    Btw, it was nice to hear the Huskies’ Mueller and Aurard in the consolation game () intermission talk about (I think) the magic of the Beanpot. It’s what all freshmen, whatever their origins, come to appreciate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdtime's . . . View Post
    Harvard was undaunted by the strength of their Beanpot opponents. It’s as simple as that, and it has to do with determination and discipline more than anything else...
    Your goaltending wasn't too bad either...
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    Harvard 4-2 over SLU, who had a 5x3 up 2-0. Four unanswered goals from the Crimson, including a shortie by KDR!
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    A tip of the cap to the seniors who are playing their final regular season home game today. I want to give special mention to Karly Heffernan. I met Karly at the beginning of her sophomore season and got to know her dad who was at practically every home game (flying in from Western Canada no less). Sad that she was unable to play these past couple of seasons and I hope the coaches recognize her today. Maybe someday she recovers enough to play in an alumni league.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skate79 View Post
    A tip of the cap to the seniors who are playing their final regular season home game today. I want to give special mention to Karly Heffernan. I met Karly at the beginning of her sophomore season and got to know her dad who was at practically every home game (flying in from Western Canada no less). Sad that she was unable to play these past couple of seasons and I hope the coaches recognize her today. Maybe someday she recovers enough to play in an alumni league.
    KDR a shortie! That's not normally her style, she is a puck dominant playmaker behind the net. She is long though and is obviously adjusting to college play in the second half of the season. Petrie and KDR will be tough moving forward.

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    Not sure who does the stats for USCHO but the game winning goal was scored by Loren Gabel, not Michela Pejzlova.
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    Where was this team in November, this team that just skated in the Beanpot, Part 3? The infirmary, I guess. Gabel, Giguere, Pejzlova, Sauvé? Bring em on! But not too much. Not into OT! A really fast game, enabled by 16 extra opportunities to catch one’s breath:16 penalties! (One ref’s whistle seemed to be attached to his trachea.) Penalties evenly divided, but that just seemed to add to their arbitrariness. Harvard continued very strong on PK (8-0), and pretty ineffective on PP (1-8). (Are these man-up, man-down skills so different that they can’t translate better? I especially don’t get poor PPs.) So, the usual scoring suspects: Gabel (2), Pejzlova, KDR (five games in a row now), Tse. Tse? Yes, a late efflorescence, given PP opportunities. Here’s hoping we’ll stay alive in the play-offs to see the Golden Knights again, so all those seniors and all those freshmen, joined by all those sophomores and all those juniors, can tear up the ice against them one more time. They each had their moments (Gilmore, in particular, was a whirlwind). And then there was Reed . . .

    (BTW, I was completely unprepared for the bellowing coming from the Clarkson bench. Maybe that’s the secret of their success: coach treats every game like a practice, as if the team was being thumped all season long.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdtime's . . . View Post
    Harvard continued very strong on PK (8-0), and pretty ineffective on PP (1-8). (Are these man-up, man-down skills so different that they can’t translate better? I especially don’t get poor PPs.)
    Harvard's most outstanding player is its goaltender. That's great on the PK, but doesn't make much difference on the PP.
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    Harvard's most outstanding player is its goaltender. That's great on the PK, but doesn't make much difference on the PP.
    How true. But as fans we basically expect our PP to be 100%. It’s just built in to the game, regardless of stats, as is never crediting the other team’s PK.

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    But as fans we basically expect our PP to be 100%.
    There were seasons where it seemed like it was. Some teams never figured out that they should cover Corriero on that weakside post.
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    Harvard's most outstanding player is its goaltender. That's great on the PK, but doesn't make much difference on the PP.
    Lindsey Reed's save totals for the last five games:

    52, 23, 51, 45, 48

    Harvard's D needs to tighten up in their own end. Better structure would be a good start. They can't rely on Reed to bail them out time and again.

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    Despite their meager two point performance against lowly Brown and lowly Yale, this wacky ECAC weekend has delivered Harvard an unexpected present: no trip to Clarkson for the conference quarters! Even for a team that seems to play best when outclassed, winning two at Cheel would be a tall order. And yes, I’ll give this mercurial Crimson outfit a 50/50 chance at Colgate.

    So many fruitless one-on-nones break-outs for Harvard this weekend that I am beginning to think these spontaneous shoot-out moments are more nerve wracking for the skater than the goalie. Also, it should be noted that it was senior day/weekend for the two teams that are going nowhere next week, and it was palpable in the determination of their play, especially in a Brown team with such a beleaguered recent past. My virtual BFF Mike Rubin was at his usual best calling the game, and really brought home this final appearance aspect of what can seem to visitors like just another pom-pom event for the home team. But ninety-plus percent of the seniors are lacing em up for the last time, and, as Rubin pointed out, it’s an abrupt end for the parents as well, some of whom began the lacing when these young women were two or three years-old. “Emotional time for sure.” So, if you can smile even as you cringe at “top shelf” being “where momma keeps the cookies,” and indulge the impromptu recollection of a 2006 bus trip from Providence to Canton, you can appreciate the free spirit of a long-suffering Brown hockey guy. You could almost think of him as the play-by-play world’s answer to a certain forum tiger: passionate to a fault, with occasional bits of theatre thrown in.

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    Hard to believe that Harvard and Yale records are so similar when Harvard continues to get the u18 National team players. Actually says something for Yale that they kept up record wise with Harvard. Tougher admissions, not the u18 players and basically the same record. Time for Harvard to move on?
    You raise another very good point. While Flygh's performance at Yale was deemed not good enough by the new AD to save his job
    (28W-52L-11T past 3 seasons), Stone's remarkably similar record for Harvard in the same time frame of 29W-48L-12T is actually far more incriminating as she's rostered 9-10 National Team players each of those seasons. While one could argue that anyone can have a bad year, wasting proven talent year after year should be a huge red flag to any AD who's paying attention. You would never know, watching some of the games this season, that the Crimson had anywhere near that kind of talent. The often looked lethargic and uninterested. Without Reed to backstop, the record would have been abysmal.

    Like Murphy at Brown a few years back, Stone is long past her expiry date: her style just doesn't work anymore as results in recent years clearly show. She's undoubtedly the beneficiary to date of the fact that, unlike Beckett at Yale, Scalise has not yet announced his retirement as AD. Too often, as appears to be the case here, longstanding ADs tend to be blinded by sentimentality and cozy relationships with longstanding coaches, rather than making any objective assessment of their abilities and results.

    Harvard should have higher standards. Sad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ARM View Post
    There were seasons where it seemed like it was. Some teams never figured out that they should cover Corriero on that weakside post.
    Trust me we knew. There was this other problem called Julie freaking Chu to attempt to deal with.

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    Trust me we knew. There was this other problem called Julie freaking Chu to attempt to deal with.
    Sorry -- I didn't intend to undo years of therapy. And for Corriero's final year, there was Vaillancourt as well. But Corriero scored 150 goals in her career. At a certain point, a team had to take her away and make the Crimson find a goal somewhere else. But, yeah, that was a hard line to try to match up against.
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    You raise another very good point. While Flygh's performance at Yale was deemed not good enough by the new AD to save his job
    (28W-52L-11T past 3 seasons), Stone's remarkably similar record for Harvard in the same time frame of 29W-48L-12T is actually far more incriminating as she's rostered 9-10 National Team players each of those seasons. While one could argue that anyone can have a bad year, wasting proven talent year after year should be a huge red flag to any AD who's paying attention. You would never know, watching some of the games this season, that the Crimson had anywhere near that kind of talent. The often looked lethargic and uninterested. Without Reed to backstop, the record would have been abysmal.

    Like Murphy at Brown a few years back, Stone is long past her expiry date: her style just doesn't work anymore as results in recent years clearly show. She's undoubtedly the beneficiary to date of the fact that, unlike Beckett at Yale, Scalise has not yet announced his retirement as AD. Too often, as appears to be the case here, longstanding ADs tend to be blinded by sentimentality and cozy relationships with longstanding coaches, rather than making any objective assessment of their abilities and results.

    Harvard should have higher standards. Sad.
    I don’t want to end the season letting this stand unaddressed, especially since I know you, of all people, are not a troll.


    “Her style just doesn’t work anymore.”

    The 2016-17 Crimson had lost Maschmeyer, Picard, Parker and D’Oench to graduation and were left with the most mediocre roster in recent memory, certainly on the blue line. Harvard went 5-19-5, the worst record of Katy Stone’s career. But that team also ended up playing ten OTs, including seven against nationally ranked teams, in which they went 0-3-4. That season did not come from a coach in decline.


    “Harvard should have higher standards. Sad.”

    Higher standards, sad though it might seem, can mean more than win/loss records, and often include those of institutional loyalty, built on history and performance. They also implicitly allow for down times. But also implicit in long-standing trusted relationships is the understanding that an employee of a certain stature will know when the time comes to call it quits. This calls for one side to have the grace and the other side to have the integrity to live with that timing. There’s no good reason to question either.



    Regarding Stone’s present team, my fan clock sees next year as the culmination of a three-year rebuild, which seems to be moving ahead. But the incoming recruits will be critical. New line additions will have to unleash Hughes, Gilmore, Jovanovich, Petrie, and KDR to make scoring a habit, not just a happenstance. And we need D! We have some young talent, but Ds seem to take forever to develop (why is that?), and we need a real blueliner, or two, from day one. It would be criminal to have a .500 team in front of Reed for the next three years. But Lethargy? Indifference? I haven’t seen it, and with Fusco and Laing on the ice it would have been hard to get away with. Fatigue, maybe, especially with the past few seasons’ involuntary short benches. And yes, there’s been more than enough poor play, but mostly from those whose trajectory has been downward, which happens, however Machiavellian the recruiting. But I’m going to give it a few more years before putting in a call to Josh McDaniels . . . er, I mean Maura Crowell. (Personally, I wouldn’t trust Lee-J in the Beanpot )
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