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2-1 USA after one. Goals from Knight, Fortino (I think, may have been tipped), Samoskevich.
Great job by Coyne drawing a penalty to nullify Canadaís only PP opportunity. Also a nice stop by Szabados on a mini break away that Cameranesi had - the two are Beauts teammates now.
Sort of an amateurish mistake by Szabados for the first US goal.
And I think a questionable call on Laroque who had both hands on her stick and was controlling the puck.
I think they should give Coyne 2 or 3 numbers to put on her jersey. It would make sense for fans because everyone knows that it is impossible for one person to be in 2 or 3 places at the same time.
Good game...lots of new faces (not sure about Brodt at this level).
Well, nice patience shown by Brodt on the beautiful feed to Decker for a US goal.
Was going top say it earlier, I'll say it now...Decker is like a wood tick with 9 lives...she always persistently invades her opposition's comfort zone and she is almost impossible to get rid of...read "neutralize".
US doing a great job of constantly getting their sticks in Canada's passing lanes and tying up Canadian sticks in front of the US goal although less and less of that was required as the 2nd period wore on...Canada seem more and more offensively disorganized.
But I think that is to a large degree caused by the biggest difference between these two teams in the last few years which is to say the the superior total team average speed enjoyed by the US. It is a deadly advantage to have in countless sports.
It would also help if Canadian shots hit the net more often. And several times when an advantageous play started developing for Canada with the puck being advanced up ice...4 of them headed to the bench. Seem a bit disjuncted mentally. Facing superior speed will do that to you.
The only thing better would have been USA scoring "4" goals...Although this game should trigger a chiffon meltdown.
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"For absolutely no reason we went to Canada and when we were coming back over the border they asked us if we had anything to declare...
I said yes...War." Steven Wright
People getting triggered by a red hat with white lettering? What does it for me is a red hat with one white letter...
Well deserved win by the US.
The story of this game was the superior US speed and Canada's failure to convert on several opportunities in the first half of the game.
They often took too long to make shooting decisions in the offensive zone and then took too long to take the shot once the decision had been made. Rigsby had a pretty easy night. You need to get her moving laterally to neutralize her natural advantage (although that would have the same effect on most goaltenders). Canada didn't come close to having that much puck control in close to even start thinking of implementing that strategy...thanks to the US defense.
Canada started by immediately implementing their game plan which was effective but not for too long.
Speed, speed, speed.
Did Gabel play in the first two periods? I noticed her a lot in the first US Canada game, but not until the PP in the third when they scored, in tonightís game.
Looking ahead to Worlds, I question if Szabados will get enough work in the NW to prepare her to be the #1 for Canada. A 16 game schedule compared to CWís 28 games, plus Szabados splits with Hensley. Strikes me as an opportunity for Maschmeyer or Tiley or Sauve to gain some ground.
I had some elevated expectation about the new head coach of team canada women....until watching his interview/fluff piece. This team went from life support (2013) to now dead, and needs someone with perspective and judgment to turn this ship around (maybe too late for that, I don't see this happening in time for the upcoming quadrennial). Now what team canada women does NOT need is an arrogant misguided person to coach this team, and unfortunately, that is what team canada women have gotten IMO.
Doesn't it speak to the failure of team canada women that they did end up hiring a male NHL coach after the all-female coaching experiment failed? (at all levels, U18, U22, and Schuler etc.). Embarrassing. I am not a critical feminist theorist, but that seems like a huge failure on the feminist front (not to mention buffoonish of team canada women management).
I'm not going to sit here and pretend I don't love to see Hockey Canada be bad. Because I do! But if this "Watts Wasn't Good At Pushups" thing is true I'm going to revel in their failures even more because they deserve every bit of piling on they get.
I know it is my prejudice but to me Canadian hockey is always focused on the physical first. You see it on the mens side in spades and it is designed to produce the 'grinders' the NHL desperately needs. Yes, the players need to be tough, it is a physical game. Yes they need to be conditioned & strong. But in a short series, 6-10 games, you are not going to grind down many opponents because they are tough & conditioned also.
If this string of losses wakes HC up to the need to focus on faster and more skilled players it will be a win for hockey even if it means more losses for USA hockey
Edit: Adding link showing game highlights: https://youtu.be/hi89dzB-Rv0
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The arrivals of Coyne and then Kessel in 2013 put this program on life support. This program (including the U18s) is now dead. But team canada women are unwilling to change how they play against usa. They are stuck in a stubborn mindset that the "Grind" type of play is the "Canadian way" of playing hockey, or the "Canadian DNA" if you will. What a dumb phrase. They are so morally sure of themselves, that they think the americans are playing the "wrong" style of hockey or the shortcut way. But anyways, look at these players who are the prototypical "grind" players: Spooner is undoubtedly the master of beep and fitness tests. She was irrelevant during the last quadrennial. Ditto Jenner (who I think should have been cut after Pyeongchang).
Another problem with team canada women is the culture. The look of resignation in Rebecca Johnston's eyes is just sad to see. Jenner wants to be friends with all of team usa. poulin is no ouellette or wickenheiser. Many a fluff piece is dedicated to who is the queen of "hungry hungry hippos" and games called "pie hole face" wherein they throw whipped cream at each others' faces. And of course, Mel Davidson is still running much of the show. And then now, team canada women realized what a critical mistake they made in bringing in all the all female coaching staffs and in an attempt to reverse this mistake, just hired a former NHL men's coach to coach this team who moans about how mean the NHL was to him and how much nicer the women are treating him, and that he is trying to use this women's coaching experience to get a job with the NHL again.
I am not sure that Szabados will continue much longer, if at all, and if she retires, hats off to her. She has arguably been the most valuable player for team canada women during the 2010 and 2014 Olympics and has done everything she could to give team canada women a chance even when they didn't deserve it. She and Haley Irwin will be greatly missed.
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But I really do hope they fix what is wrong. It is not good to have one team always dominant. It really is not healthy in the long run to have to only have 2+1 teams. The last couple of events I feel like Finland is slipping and we need them to push HC & USAH but it would be better still if Sweden, Germany, Russia, Norway and Switzerland all could step up their games so there was always a struggle to land in the final game. I don't like to see 'my' team lose but if the game is going to grow the risk needs to be there
Back to Canada and Chaffron's dismay with Team Canada, it would be interesting to see exactly what changes he/she believes should be made. Chaffron, please post your "dream lineup" that you would like to see represent Canada in the next international tournament (not sure, but might this not be the 2019 IIHF World's?).
Also, who would you recommend to coach the team, and who should take over as head of Canadian women's hockey? Obviously, that person should not be Mel Davidson, in your opinion, so who best to lead the whole organization, with Davidson no longer involved? Assume it's you, with a free reign, and the coaching staff and player roster is your's to determine.
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It's strange, because it isn't like this in individual, rather than team, sports. And European countries have professional hockey and basketball leagues that pay more than their North American counterparts, though WNBA teams are better on the court, and I suspect that NWHL and CWHL teams would be the same. The Europeans just don't seem to have the same commitment to team sports at the youth level. I'd guess that Title IX is a significant factor, and the related aspect that sports are tied to schools here in ways that they aren't in the rest of the world.
But the evidence suggests that the disparity is more structural than just not having had enough time to develop programs.
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