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    Re: Fun With Numbers 2019: PWR, RPI, KRACH, GRaNT, WCHODR, & other assortments of let

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    Re: Fun With Numbers 2019: PWR, RPI, KRACH, GRaNT, WCHODR, & other assortments of let

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    Re: Fun With Numbers 2019: PWR, RPI, KRACH, GRaNT, WCHODR, & other assortments of let

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    Re: Fun With Numbers 2019: PWR, RPI, KRACH, GRaNT, WCHODR, & other assortments of let

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    Re: Fun With Numbers 2019: PWR, RPI, KRACH, GRaNT, WCHODR, & other assortments of let

    I'm at the BC game so I can't really run the numbers but I think Princeton losing means BC should be in as long as UM or UW wins WCHA, yes?

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    Re: Fun With Numbers 2019: PWR, RPI, KRACH, GRaNT, WCHODR, & other assortments of let

    Nevermind -- I also see us out if both Colgate & BU win

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    Re: Fun With Numbers 2019: PWR, RPI, KRACH, GRaNT, WCHODR, & other assortments of let

    For the ECAC Teams To get into the NC$$
    Clarkson in no matter what happens
    Cornell is in unless BC Beats BU, they lose the ECAC Title to Colgate and Ohio State wins the WCHA
    Colgate - Win the ECAC
    Princeton - BC Beats BU, Clarkson or Cornell win the ECAC and Wisco or Minny win the WCHA

    If Colgate beats Cornell for the ECAC Crown and Northeastern beats BC for the HE Crown and Wisco or Minny win the WCHA

    3 Northeastern
    4 Clarkson
    5 BC
    6 Cornell

    So will the committee send Cornell to Northeastern and BC to Clarkson or will they save on bus travel/hotels and have Clarkson - Cornell and BC - Northeastern as the games?

    If Ohio State wins the WCHA then we have Cornell out of the NC$$

    3 Northeastern
    4 Clarkson
    5 BC
    6 Ohio State

    Will the committee save on bus fare and send Ohio State to Potsdam and have BC - Northeastern replay
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    Re: Fun With Numbers 2019: PWR, RPI, KRACH, GRaNT, WCHODR, & other assortments of let

    Tomorrows results appear to be shuffling of the 1,2 and 4, 5 and 6 seeds.

    The winner of Wisco vs Minny gets the 1 seed and the loser 2.
    Northeastern 3
    BC and Cornell win then its
    3 Northeastern
    4 BC
    5 Cornell
    6 Clarkson
    BC and Clarkson win or Northeastern and Clarkson win
    3 Northeastern
    4 Clarkson
    5 BC
    6 Cornell
    Northeastern and Cornell win
    3 Northeastern
    4 Cornell
    5 Clarkson
    6 BC

    7 Princeton locked into 7
    8 Syracuse locked into 8
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    Re: Fun With Numbers 2019: PWR, RPI, KRACH, GRaNT, WCHODR, & other assortments of let

    Quote Originally Posted by vicb View Post
    Tomorrows results appear to be shuffling of the 1,2 and 4, 5 and 6 seeds.

    The winner of Wisco vs Minny gets the 1 seed and the loser 2.
    Northeastern 3
    BC and Cornell win then its
    3 Northeastern
    4 BC
    5 Cornell
    6 Clarkson
    BC and Clarkson win or Northeastern and Clarkson win
    3 Northeastern
    4 Clarkson
    5 BC
    6 Cornell
    Northeastern and Cornell win
    3 Northeastern
    4 Cornell
    5 Clarkson
    6 BC

    7 Princeton locked into 7
    8 Syracuse locked into 8
    Which means Princeton and Syracuse fly to the Midwest, and the committee, if they are thinking at all, make 2 ECAC v HEA games.

    Loser of Corn/Clark at Northeastern
    Winner of Corn/Clark vs BC. BC at home only if they win.

    That's too simple, though, so they will mess it up somehow.

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    Re: Fun With Numbers 2019: PWR, RPI, KRACH, GRaNT, WCHODR, & other assortments of let

    Quote Originally Posted by Numbers View Post
    Which means Princeton and Syracuse fly to the Midwest, and the committee, if they are thinking at all, make 2 ECAC v HEA games.
    FWIW: Wisconsin played both Syracuse and Princeton in Madison this season. Syracuse in December, 6-1 and 9-1 wins; Princeton in October, a 4-3 win (that was that close) and a 3-0 win (that was 1-0 well into the 3rd period).

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    Quote Originally Posted by robertearle View Post
    FWIW: Wisconsin played both Syracuse and Princeton in Madison this season. Syracuse in December, 6-1 and 9-1 wins; Princeton in October, a 4-3 win (that was that close) and a 3-0 win (that was 1-0 well into the 3rd period).
    Those Princeton games were nail biters. That is quite the quality 7 seed there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Numbers View Post
    Which means Princeton and Syracuse fly to the Midwest, and the committee, if they are thinking at all, make 2 ECAC v HEA games.

    ..........
    Syracuse gets the winner of Minny/Wisco and Princeton gets the loser.

    You do not want Northeastern and Cornell to win.
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    Re: Fun With Numbers 2019: PWR, RPI, KRACH, GRaNT, WCHODR, & other assortments of let

    Final bracketology: https://www.bcinterruption.com/bosto...nsin-minnesota

    Trying to look at this from an unbiased perspective because I really don't want to go to Clarkson. And I really truly hate when they have a directive and they just disregard their directive. But if they were ever going to justify swapping teams for a cheaper bracket, it would be now. Cornell and BC are even tied in the Pairwise, so they could pretty much justify it however they want.

    My heart wants us to go to NU but I truly hate the opacity with which this process takes place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TonyTheTiger20 View Post
    Final bracketology: https://www.bcinterruption.com/bosto...nsin-minnesota

    Trying to look at this from an unbiased perspective because I really don't want to go to Clarkson. And I really truly hate when they have a directive and they just disregard their directive. But if they were ever going to justify swapping teams for a cheaper bracket, it would be now. Cornell and BC are even tied in the Pairwise, so they could pretty much justify it however they want.

    My heart wants us to go to NU but I truly hate the opacity with which this process takes place.
    I cannot believe the length of bus trips is even in discussion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Timothy A View Post
    I cannot believe the length of bus trips is even in discussion.
    You're telling me... I don't even think we'd be having this discussion if 2016 didn't happen.

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    Re: Fun With Numbers 2019: PWR, RPI, KRACH, GRaNT, WCHODR, & other assortments of let

    Now that we've got the NCAA tournament field, I thought it would be interesting to see if either quality win games (Top 12 for PairWise, so I did likewise) or the remaining schedule had a bigger impact on whether a team finds themselves in the tournament or not. The hosting teams largely distinguished themselves in both categories, while it seems that winning roughly 85% of the games against "unranked" teams seemed to be the ticket to being on the right side of the bubble for the remaining teams.

    While not a new conclusion for any sports fan, it's interesting to see the numbers show that those midseason games against Maine or Bemidji for example can be just as important as the conference tournament games to a team on the edge of making the national tournament.

    PairWise Team Overall vs Top 12 vs Other
    1 Wisconsin 32-4-2 (0.8684) 11-3-2 (0.75) 21-1-0 (0.9545)
    2 Minnesota 30-5-1 (0.8472) 9-5-1 (0.6333) 21-0-0 (1)
    3 Northeastern 27-5-5 (0.7972) 9-4-3 (0.6562) 18-1-2 (0.9047)
    4 Clarkson 29-7-2 (0.7894) 7-4-1 (0.625) 22-3-1 (0.8653)
    5 Boston College 26-11-1 (0.6973) 6-8-0 (0.4285) 20-3-1 (0.8541)
    6 Cornell 23-5-6 (0.7647) 4-3-1 (0.5625) 19-2-5 (0.8269)
    7 Princeton 20-7-5 (0.7031) 2-5-2 (0.3333) 18-2-3 (0.8478)
    8 Providence 24-11-2 (0.6756) 3-7-0 (0.3) 21-4-2 (0.8148)
    9 Boston University 21-8-8 (0.6756) 4-5-2 (0.4545) 17-3-6 (0.7692)
    10 Ohio State 20-13-2 (0.6) 5-8-2 (0.4) 15-5-0 (0.75)
    11 Colgate 23-10-5 (0.6710) 4-6-1 (0.4090) 19-4-4 (0.7777)
    12 Minnesota Duluth 15-16-4 (0.4857) 6-11-1 (0.3611) 9-5-3 (0.6176)
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    Re: Fun With Numbers 2019: PWR, RPI, KRACH, GRaNT, WCHODR, & other assortments of let

    Quote Originally Posted by TonyTheTiger20 View Post
    Yes! Nicole Haase did some harassing to the powers that be to finally get them to correct their numbers -- they even have the eligible teams right!
    I'm not sure if this changed at the same time as the PairWise, but USCHO's KRACH ratings are doing something different with the NEWHA teams too. Somehow they still get a rating, but are ranked 36-40. Comparing Grant's calculator ratings to the USCHO results in some strange changes in the rankings (Mankato +3, Maine -4, St. Cloud +4, for example).

    After a little research, I see that Maine played Sacred Heart twice (2 8-0 victories, haha), so that explains their drop, but that doesn't directly explain the jump for Mankato and St. Cloud, or Ohio State's ascension to #5. Maybe Maine dropping for scheduling a NEWHA school made Maine comparatively worse, dropping all of the Hockey East schools down? I'm not going to spend much more time on it, but I'm curious if any number crunchers here have any thoughts on what USCHO is doing with the NEWHA schools / how it affects everybody else's rankings?
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