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    Re: Michigan Tech 2018-19: Who Cares What They Name It, We Want It

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    Who is “that kid?” No one knows. His identity has not been compromised. However, if you are a player, and the shoe fits...
    without knowing specifics it feels like that "tag" is now branded on all the seniors because the way he spoke about it, it kinda has to be a senior no?
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    Re: Michigan Tech 2018-19: Who Cares What They Name It, We Want It

    Quote Originally Posted by giwan View Post
    I disagree, why did he kill that chance. I'm sure Joe has spoken to the kid personally several times, maybe he needs even more of a wake up call, or maybe the kid need to go. Though I can't say I've seen it at Tech, (I could easily be wrong) there are many programs that simply tell a kid, you're not cutting it bye. Which is a MY way or highway approach. Whereas I see Joe's being more of a OUR way approach.

    I wouldn't mind hearing from the other coaches on occasion but not for the reason you advocate.
    The problem isn't the conversation with the player...it is taking those conversations even anonymously outside the locker room, on the record with the radio show.

    I love Joe and generally his approach to teaching the players, but I just think certain things don't belong on his show.
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    On every higher level team no matter what sport, it's extremely important that the players know the coach has their back. If the coach goes out and bad mouths them to the media their motivation is compromised. It's not necessarily a good thing to air this dirty laundry for all to see. Especially when other coaches and recruits read these boards, negative comments about an individual can have long term consequences for the organization.
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    Charm and tact are not mutually exclusive.
    I like Joe's Yooper charm. And I also like Joe's Yooper tact.

    Don't ruin him.

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    And by talking about it publicly, he pretty much killed any chance of that kid buying in going forward. These things take a bit of tact, and Joe hasn't shown that tact, at least in a public-facing way. If you have a player not buying in, your job as coach is to find a way to get through to that player, to teach that player, and to get that player on-board. Going public torpedoes any chance you have of doing any of those things.

    Next season, my hope is that the show is re-branded as a generic "coaches show" and Joe is only on occasionally. Get Dallas or Chris or Tyler on there, in hopes that they're much more savvy from a media relations and public relations standpoint.
    From Chris' time at UWSP, I would not consider him as a media savvy guy. He is very direct and up front. He is the same way with his communications with his players though so there was never an issue of being thrown under the bus or anything like that. They knew exactly where they stood with him. They knew exactly what was expected and needed from them. He is a great coach that gets his players to play hard for him. He is not going to ever be a media darling in anyway though.
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    From Chris' time at UWSP, I would not consider him as a media savvy guy. He is very direct and up front. He is the same way with his communications with his players though so there was never an issue of being thrown under the bus or anything like that. They knew exactly where they stood with him. They knew exactly what was expected and needed from them. He is a great coach that gets his players to play hard for him. He is not going to ever be a media darling in anyway though.
    IMHO Tech doesn't need "media darlings" 98% of their fans would read through the facade and not trust the guy. Besides, the only media they need to worry about in Houghton is Mix93 and the TV games against Northern. I doubt Dirk Hembroff or Dave Ellis worries too much about Joe's (or his assistants') media savviness.

    Joe knows what he wants. He tells his guys exactly what he expects. If they don't get it, or go against it, its sure as hell isn't because Joe didn't let them know it is going to be. Growing up in the UP Joe reminds me of a lot of the dads when I was growing up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shirtless Guy View Post
    without knowing specifics it feels like that "tag" is now branded on all the seniors because the way he spoke about it, it kinda has to be a senior no?
    I almost feel he named the senior by what he has not said. It's unfortunate.

    You would have to have paid attention all year.

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    I almost feel he named the senior by what he has not said. It's unfortunate.

    You would have to have paid attention all year.
    I haven't listened to all of the shows and I've got it narrowed down to about 1 possible player.
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    IMHO Tech doesn't need "media darlings" 98% of their fans would read through the facade and not trust the guy. Besides, the only media they need to worry about in Houghton is Mix93 and the TV games against Northern. I doubt Dirk Hembroff or Dave Ellis worries too much about Joe's (or his assistants') media savviness.

    Joe knows what he wants. He tells his guys exactly what he expects. If they don't get it, or go against it, its sure as hell isn't because Joe didn't let them know it is going to be. Growing up in the UP Joe reminds me of a lot of the dads when I was growing up.

    Work hard as a team. It might suck at times, but it will be worth it in the end. Even if it doesn't end how you want it to, you will know you did it the right way.

    To paraphrase Joe:
    Soft attracts soft. Joe attracts hard. The two don't get along.

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    I agree and believe Joe shared the incident because he wants a team that is focused on team. He gave himself an F grade for the year and the team a D. If I were a player, that would be more eye opening than the coach sharing a conversation/attitude of a team member. For me, that was Joe describing why he gave the grades he did. He wasn't able to get through to some guys and some of the guys didn't buy in to what he was building. If the guys don't like it, they are free to leave. For me, that is fuel for competitive fire.

    We will see how much of an impact the JSH had this off season. Who goes, who stays, and what team looks like when they hit the ice in 2019-2020.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MTUHuskies View Post
    IMHO Tech doesn't need "media darlings" 98% of their fans would read through the facade and not trust the guy. Besides, the only media they need to worry about in Houghton is Mix93 and the TV games against Northern. I doubt Dirk Hembroff or Dave Ellis worries too much about Joe's (or his assistants') media savviness.

    Joe knows what he wants. He tells his guys exactly what he expects. If they don't get it, or go against it, its sure as hell isn't because Joe didn't let them know it is going to be. Growing up in the UP Joe reminds me of a lot of the dads when I was growing up.

    Work hard as a team. It might suck at times, but it will be worth it in the end. Even if it doesn't end how you want it to, you will know you did it the right way.

    To paraphrase Joe:
    Soft attracts soft. Joe attracts hard. The two don't get along.

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    That's great and all but my point had nothing to do if they needed a media darling or not. It was more that Brooks is not one and that he shouldn't be looked at if that is what someone wants. It sounds like Joe and him have a very similar attitude and style, which is a good thing.
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    Re: Michigan Tech 2018-19: Who Cares What They Name It, We Want It

    Quote Originally Posted by MTUHuskies View Post
    IMHO Tech doesn't need "media darlings" 98% of their fans would read through the facade and not trust the guy. Besides, the only media they need to worry about in Houghton is Mix93 and the TV games against Northern.
    ... and then the Internet gets it, and it doesn't matter if it's media outlets that anyone outside of Copper Country knows about. Kids, parents, advisers, junior coaches, and other coaches read this stuff. Someone will use this against Tech in recruiting. Will that hurt? Maybe! I'm sure it will help attract the kinds of folks that Joe wants, but it might push away a kid or two that could've helped and honestly could be helped. Some folks need a little KITA in their life.

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    ... and then the Internet gets it, and it doesn't matter if it's media outlets that anyone outside of Copper Country knows about. Kids, parents, advisers, junior coaches, and other coaches read this stuff. Someone will use this against Tech in recruiting. Will that hurt? Maybe! I'm sure it will help attract the kinds of folks that Joe wants, but it might push away a kid or two that could've helped and honestly could be helped. Some folks need a little KITA in their life.

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    ... and then the Internet gets it, and it doesn't matter if it's media outlets that anyone outside of Copper Country knows about. Kids, parents, advisers, junior coaches, and other coaches read this stuff. Someone will use this against Tech in recruiting. Will that hurt? Maybe! I'm sure it will help attract the kinds of folks that Joe wants, but it might push away a kid or two that could've helped and honestly could be helped. Some folks need a little KITA in their life.

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    I can't imagine Joe trying to attract head cases or attitude projects who "need a little KITA in their life." He specifically stated when asked about the kind of recruits he wants, "character and competitiveness." Given that raw material, Joe sounds confident that he can maximize their potential if the player wants to meet him halfway.

    As for the effect of what shows up online on recruiting, I ask for a break. The school, especially academics, sells itself if the recruit has a marketable degree in his list of objectives. Assuming that the recruit is listening to a reasonable, intelligent adult in the process, they should quickly learn that the advantages of going to MTU far outweigh whatever BS pulled off the internet negative campaign a competitor is running.

    Going back to Joe's comments on the recent JSH, anyone can see it was a tremendous commercial for recruiting....but only for those willing to put the team ahead of self.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MTUHuskies View Post
    IMHO Tech doesn't need "media darlings" 98% of their fans would read through the facade and not trust the guy.
    Just like with Marv.

    Sorry, couldn't resist pointing that out.

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    Just like with Marv.

    Sorry, couldn't resist pointing that out.
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    Joe strikes me as an old fashioned hard nosed hockey coach. He's looking for a team, not individual stars. Good. Go for it Joe, it IS a team sport. That's why Esposito left Tech, he felt MacInnes wasn't giving him enough playing time. Well, Tony, as a goalie, even one of the greatest ones, that's not your decision. The bridesmaid doesn't pick out the brides dress.

    As to his, I guess the word everyone is dancing around is uncouth, remarks, listen to Frank Serratore after an Air Force loss. He is hilarious, but will take hard shots at his team if he feels they weren't playing up to the level they could be. He'll take on his team, the refs, the opposing coach, the opposing team, the fans. It's refreshing to hear a coach freely speak his mind and not hear the "we played hard, but they were just the better team tonight".

    I wonder how many times Serratore has gotten fined by the league or the NCAA?
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    Quote Originally Posted by huskyfan View Post
    Joe strikes me as an old fashioned hard nosed hockey coach. He's looking for a team, not individual stars. Good. Go for it Joe, it IS a team sport. That's why Esposito left Tech, he felt MacInnes wasn't giving him enough playing time. Well, Tony, as a goalie, even one of the greatest ones, that's not your decision. The bridesmaid doesn't pick out the brides dress.

    As to his, I guess the word everyone is dancing around is uncouth, remarks, listen to Frank Serratore after an Air Force loss. He is hilarious, but will take hard shots at his team if he feels they weren't playing up to the level they could be. He'll take on his team, the refs, the opposing coach, the opposing team, the fans. It's refreshing to hear a coach freely speak his mind and not hear the "we played hard, but they were just the better team tonight".

    I wonder how many times Serratore has gotten fined by the league or the NCAA?
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    Quote Originally Posted by huskyfan View Post
    Joe strikes me as an old fashioned hard nosed hockey coach. He's looking for a team, not individual stars. Good. Go for it Joe, it IS a team sport. That's why Esposito left Tech, he felt MacInnes wasn't giving him enough playing time. Well, Tony, as a goalie, even one of the greatest ones, that's not your decision. The bridesmaid doesn't pick out the brides dress.

    As to his, I guess the word everyone is dancing around is uncouth, remarks, listen to Frank Serratore after an Air Force loss. He is hilarious, but will take hard shots at his team if he feels they weren't playing up to the level they could be. He'll take on his team, the refs, the opposing coach, the opposing team, the fans. It's refreshing to hear a coach freely speak his mind and not hear the "we played hard, but they were just the better team tonight".

    I wonder how many times Serratore has gotten fined by the league or the NCAA?
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    Some fans complain about the standard stock room clichè answers from coaches and athletes. Some complain when they don’t get the standard stock room clichè answers. And people who have never been in the dressing room talk about how the coaches radio show affects the dressing room, even though they’ve never been in a dressing room.
    You have a lot more experience with coaches' comments on the radio, so please give us some insight. How much, if at all, do the comments made by a coach on his radio show affect the dressing room? As a member of the media, do you prefer the standard stockroom answers? Or do you think it serves the team better if the coach stays away from the cliches? Most of us here are just fans that want to see the coach do as much as he can to help the team win. How, in your opinion, does he accomplish that through his public remarks?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MTUHuskies View Post
    You have a lot more experience with coaches' comments on the radio, so please give us some insight. How much, if at all, do the comments made by a coach on his radio show affect the dressing room? As a member of the media, do you prefer the standard stockroom answers? Or do you think it serves the team better if the coach stays away from the cliches? Most of us here are just fans that want to see the coach do as much as he can to help the team win. How, in your opinion, does he accomplish that through his public remarks?
    I do know that what is said in public forums, at times doesn’t match what is down below. I know that sometimes what a coach says publicly is done for a reason. And there have been cases where I have winced at what a coach has had to say about his team. Of the coaches I’ve worked with, if they’re saying it in public, it’s already been said much more definitively in the room. It’s very rare that a coach would say anything in the media that is a surprise in the room.

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