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    Quote Originally Posted by bothman View Post
    I thought we are #4 seed and Quinny is #1 seed, no?
    Correct.. pending no upsets, Harvard and Quinny would play in the early semifinal, Cornell and Clarkson in the second..

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    Correct.. pending no upsets, Harvard and Quinny would play in the early semifinal, Cornell and Clarkson in the second..
    When I checked the standings last Sunday, USCHO had Cornell first and Quinny second. So that was what I was going on. Agree that getting the Bobcats in the semis is preferred over Cornell.

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    When I checked the standings last Sunday, USCHO had Cornell first and Quinny second. So that was what I was going on. Agree that getting the Bobcats in the semis is preferred over Cornell.
    I dunno about that. The Red went 0-1-1 against Q.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skate79 View Post
    I'm not crazy about seeing Dartmouth in the quarters again (assuming they get by SLU and that should be a cakewalk). I'd actually rather face Yale or Brown. Union not so much.
    You got Dartmouth; they won their game 3 8-zip, after losing a game 2 where they outshot SLU 60-20.

    The Green seem to have picked precisely the right moment to figure it out, like Princeton did last year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kepler View Post
    I dunno about that. The Red went 0-1-1 against Q.
    Huh??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kepler View Post
    You got Dartmouth; they won their game 3 8-zip, after losing a game 2 where they outshot SLU 60-20.

    The Green seem to have picked precisely the right moment to figure it out, like Princeton did last year.
    We'll see. They came in hot last year too and we dispatched them once we woke up after Game 1. It won't be an easy series but I like our chances to move on to LP.

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    Re: Harvard Crimson 2018-2019 All Things Bright and Beautiful

    I wonder why the potential 3rd game is played at 4 PM. Anecdotally, I recall 7 PM games if the series went to Sunday. Travel?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crimson Faced View Post
    I wonder why the potential 3rd game is played at 4 PM. Anecdotally, I recall 7 PM games if the series went to Sunday. Travel?
    Travel doesn't seem to be an issue except for Yale-Clarkson. Quinny-Brown is relatively short in terms of travel. So is Harvard-Dartmouth. Cornell-Union doesn't seem onerous. So I don't know why the 4pm start time.

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    I sometimes wonder if getting the bye hurts more than helps Harvard. Case in point; tonight's game in which we looked like the Keystone Cops at times. Sloppy passing, falling down at inopportune moments, coughing up the puck in our zone, and too much individual play trying to break Dartmouth's neutral zone trap which resembled a basketball 2-3 matchup zone. It was really effective for the first 30 minutes.

    Once the Green scored, it woke us up and our talent took over. Adam Fox's game winner was a thing of beauty - a great two on one with Colton Kerfoot and his feed to Fox who buried it.

    Dartmouth had their chances to take control of this game but couldn't finish their opportunities. Gornet played very well for his first playoff game. The Badini line got badly outplayed and Teddy might want to rethink his forward combos for tomorrow night.

    Surprising results from tonight's ECAC matchups. Brown beating Quinnipiac, Union beating Cornell. Hmm. That's two series that should go three.

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    Great series in playoffs type games which undoubtedbly will help you guys moving forward. You guys again were the better team in the series although not by much.
    Good Luck in Placid and hopefully the big "Dance"!

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    Great series in playoffs type games which undoubtedbly will help you guys moving forward. You guys again were the better team in the series although not by much.
    Good Luck in Placid and hopefully the big "Dance"!
    So last night's game was like getting root canal work for three hours. Painful to watch in so many ways. The icings, offsides, shooting the puck out of play (I counted at least 20 missed shots by Harvard over two games) and the incredibly sloppy passing and D zone coverage. I'll say this as a Harvard fan and alum; we don't deserve to go to Lake Placid. We were outcoached, outhustled, outworked (for the most part) and outskilled. We had too many passengers and not enough drivers. Case in point: Zerter Gossage was a beast on Friday, invisible on Saturday. Why? And why for the love of all things Crimson did we have two slow starts in a row? Didn't the team get the message after Friday's game? Or did the coaches fall asleep at the wheel? (and we need to hire someone to coach the D because we are putrid in our own zone). Any way you look at it, Dartmouth had as much right, maybe more, to advance.

    The elephant in the room when you look back on this series was the reversal of the Dartmouth goal with 14 seconds left in the second period. They probably had a beef. As soon as I saw McDonald head to the review area, I knew the goal wasn't going to count. The hockey Gods giveth and they taketh away. Dartmouth got an overrule on Friday so I suppose it evened out. But you could argue that if the goal stood, we'd be playing today.

    Oh well, on to Lake Placid. Will Union make it two upsets this weekend? We'll see...

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    Skate79 -

    Think that assessment is a bit harsh.

    - Zerter was playing with stomach flu and gutted it out on Sat night

    - not sure why Baughnann is on PK and Walsh in his own zone is what it is

    - harvard has more horses and talent than Dartmouth and that gap will widen next year given recruiting

    - Drury, Bowlby, Dornbach Line needs to get going again. Stalled a bit.

    - the interference on Dartmouth 4th goal was just that. He ran the goalie and Dartmouth was fortunate not to be penalized. Never had a chance to be a good goal

    Big sheet at Placid here we come.

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    As per Coach Donato, LZG had a stomach flu. He was invisible because he wasn't on the ice for most of the second and all of the third.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bothman View Post
    Skate79 -

    Think that assessment is a bit harsh.

    - Zerter was playing with stomach flu and gutted it out on Sat night

    - not sure why Baughnann is on PK and Walsh in his own zone is what it is

    - harvard has more horses and talent than Dartmouth and that gap will widen next year given recruiting

    - Drury, Bowlby, Dornbach Line needs to get going again. Stalled a bit.

    - the interference on Dartmouth 4th goal was just that. He ran the goalie and Dartmouth was fortunate not to be penalized. Never had a chance to be a good goal

    Big sheet at Placid here we come.
    Bothman,

    You have always more talent (and will continue to do so) than BG so my point is the product on the ice has closed a bit; no more blow out games! Individual talent doesn't ensure success or you guys will be blowing us and other teams out all the time. And to your point about the non goal: - the interference on Dartmouth 4th goal was just that. He ran the goalie and Dartmouth was fortunate not to be penalized. Never had a chance to be a good goal. Come on... Fortunate not to be called penalty on Forman, please! It was a power move and hockey move going to the net as any forward would have done. Badini would have done the same thing! If anything you should blame Walsh who had Forman measured at the blueline but was beat too easily!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bothman View Post
    Skate79 -

    Think that assessment is a bit harsh.

    - Zerter was playing with stomach flu and gutted it out on Sat night

    - not sure why Baughnann is on PK and Walsh in his own zone is what it is

    - harvard has more horses and talent than Dartmouth and that gap will widen next year given recruiting

    - Drury, Bowlby, Dornbach Line needs to get going again. Stalled a bit.

    - the interference on Dartmouth 4th goal was just that. He ran the goalie and Dartmouth was fortunate not to be penalized. Never had a chance to be a good goal

    Big sheet at Placid here we come.
    Okay so I didn't know that he had the stomach flu. His teammates still should have picked him up. I give him high marks for even suiting up.

    As for the rest of my post, I'll stand by my comments. The team lacked urgency and played in spurts. That won't get it done next weekend. There was sloppiness and non adjustments that should have been made. This is not to disparage Dartmouth because they played hard and deserved to at least have played today.

    Kudos to Michael Floodstrand for a great series as he was all over the ice and a constant thorn in Dartmouth's side. He showed leadership, energy and drive, something that was missing from some players wearing Crimson unis. And look, I'll give the frosh a pass because it was their first ECAC tournament. But things have to change next weekend if we are to capture the championship.

    And I think Adam Fox tied Mark Fusco for most points by a Harvard D. Not sure but I was told that was the case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BIG Green View Post
    Bothman,

    You have always more talent (and will continue to do so) than BG so my point is the product on the ice has closed a bit; no more blow out games! Individual talent doesn't ensure success or you guys will be blowing us and other teams out all the time. And to your point about the non goal: - the interference on Dartmouth 4th goal was just that. He ran the goalie and Dartmouth was fortunate not to be penalized. Never had a chance to be a good goal. Come on... Fortunate not to be called penalty on Forman, please! It was a power move and hockey move going to the net as any forward would have done. Badini would have done the same thing! If anything you should blame Walsh who had Forman measured at the blueline but was beat too easily!
    - "Walsh in his own zone is what it is" - I called out Walsh who was beat there cleanly and never should have been.

    - The Dartmouth player shot the puck and then continued to drive forward and through Gornet - it was a power move, but one that can be done without running the goalie. That is a penalty at every level of hockey (including the NHL). Gornet was taken out and not given a chance to go back and make the stop on the rebound. If you can't see that, then I'm sorry. The play the night before was the right call. The Harvard player rammed into Gornet and so rightly so, that was no goalie interference and Dartmouth got the goal which it deserved. The lengthy review hurt Dartmouth by the way and that was a tough break.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bothman View Post
    - "Walsh in his own zone is what it is" - I called out Walsh who was beat there cleanly and never should have been.

    - The Dartmouth player shot the puck and then continued to drive forward and through Gornet - it was a power move, but one that can be done without running the goalie. That is a penalty at every level of hockey (including the NHL). Gornet was taken out and not given a chance to go back and make the stop on the rebound. If you can't see that, then I'm sorry. The play the night before was the right call. The Harvard player rammed into Gornet and so rightly so, that was no goalie interference and Dartmouth got the goal which it deserved. The lengthy review hurt Dartmouth by the way and that was a tough break.

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    I am not disputing whether it was a goal or not; I am still 50/50 on it. I am disputing your suggestion that it should have been a penalty. Let's reset: Forman gets a stretch pass from Yau while stationary, he goes forehand/backhand to beat Walsh to the outside. Having a step he now drives almost parallel to the net with Walsh on his right shoulder. Forman tries a to go wider to maybe give him more options as such as going beyond the near post to open up the five hole or even going far post because Gornet had the near post covered. He tries a maybe stuff shot the Gornet stops. The way he was striding and shooting, it would have been very hard for Forman to stop. As far as a call in any league, it would be non penalty and a blown whistle if Dartmouth gained an advantage with the puck right afterwards with a face off ensuing. They just happen to score on this play. Also you know and I know that Badini, Bowlby, etc would have done exactly the same thing. That's hockey and a hockey play within that. I am also sorry that you do not see this!

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    Sorry Harvard. Because of lack of fan support you have been replaced in next weekend's Beanpot at the Garden by UMass. Seriously though the Pairwise Probability Matrix has both Harvard and Cornell at 95% chance of making the NCAA Tournament. 10 teams are at 100% followed by the two of you. Looks like losing and a lot of surprise autobids is the way you lose out. Good luck!!

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    Congratulations to Adam Fox for being named ECAC POY and for being a finalist for the Hobey.

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    I haven't posted here in a while, but I just have to get this off my chest: who's dumb idea was it to start Lackey tonight against Clarkson? I know he was our starter, but a single-elimination playoff game isn't where you bring back a goalie who hasn't played in weeks to get his timing back and shake off the rust. I'm curious to see what they do if they make the NCAA's. Congrats to the Golden Knights -- take it to Cornell tomorrow.

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