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  • Originally posted by First Time, Long Time View Post
    What amendment says if you don't use a right you lose that right?
    That's why it matters.
    You don't lose a right simply because you chose not to always exercise that right.
    If you don’t choose to request the assistance of counsel when charged with a crime you lose that right.
    That community is already in the process of dissolution where each man begins to eye his neighbor as a possible enemy, where non-conformity with the accepted creed, political as well as religious, is a mark of disaffection; where denunciation, without specification or backing, takes the place of evidence; where orthodoxy chokes freedom of dissent; where faith in the eventual supremacy of reason has become so timid that we dare not enter our convictions in the open lists, to win or lose.

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      Originally posted by SJHovey View Post
      If you don’t choose to request the assistance of counsel when charged with a crime you lose that right.
      I dont think that is true...pretty sure the judge will ask you and you will have to expressly deny the right at trial. (in custody you are correct though)

      BTW you forget that since you are given Miranda when arrested not asking for council post Miranda is tacitly agreeing that you dont want counsel at that time. You have to be offered the opportunity though. If you try and ask for counsel later they cannot deny you counsel that right is always in play. (it is never lost it just needs to be invoked) To parallel what is going on with voting every state that wants to purge the rolls would need to allow for same day registration.

      I am still waiting for an answer as to why there needs to be voter rolls purged though. What is the big deal? There is no voter fraud so why is it important? It solves no problems but has the potential to cause many...seems like a complete waste of time and effort.
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      • Originally posted by SJHovey View Post
        If you don’t choose to request the assistance of counsel when charged with a crime you lose that right.
        But that does not mean that you lose it for every other crime or even for that crime if you chose to ask later. This does unless you reregister...and without moving you should not have to.
        Last edited by First Time, Long Time; 06-12-2018, 10:08 PM.
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          Originally posted by SJHovey View Post
          If you don’t choose to request the assistance of counsel when charged with a crime you lose that right.
          That's a little like saying if I chose not to vote in a given election I lose the right to vote in that election. If I choose not to request counsel for 5 separate crimes over 8 years, I do not waive the right to counsel at any time in the future.

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          • Re: SCOTUS 10: Pack the Court!

            Originally posted by First Time, Long Time View Post
            What amendment says if you don't use a right you lose that right?
            That's why it matters.
            You don't lose a right simply because you chose not to always exercise that right.
            Yeah but those lazy blacks deserve it so...

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            • Originally posted by burd View Post
              That's a little like saying if I chose not to vote in a given election I lose the right to vote in that election. If I choose not to request counsel for 5 separate crimes over 8 years, I do not waive the right to counsel at any time in the future.
              But that’s the thing. No one loses their “right” to vote here. All they have to do is register, just like when I moved.
              That community is already in the process of dissolution where each man begins to eye his neighbor as a possible enemy, where non-conformity with the accepted creed, political as well as religious, is a mark of disaffection; where denunciation, without specification or backing, takes the place of evidence; where orthodoxy chokes freedom of dissent; where faith in the eventual supremacy of reason has become so timid that we dare not enter our convictions in the open lists, to win or lose.

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              • Originally posted by SJHovey View Post
                But that’s the thing. No one loses their “right” to vote here. All they have to do is register, just like when I moved.
                And again...if they don't know they aren't registered any more when they go to vote and their state does not have same day...and most dont....then the right IS being taken away.
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                • Originally posted by SJHovey View Post
                  But that’s the thing. No one loses their “right” to vote here. All they have to do is register, just like when I moved.
                  How would they know to register if they don't know they're no longer on the voting rolls until they show up to vote and can't?

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                  • Originally posted by unofan View Post
                    How would they know to register if they don't know they're no longer on the voting rolls until they show up to vote and can't?
                    Can one log into gov sites and see?
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                    • Originally posted by SJHovey View Post
                      But that’s the thing. No one loses their “right” to vote here. All they have to do is register, just like when I moved.
                      Funny, but why the need for so many amendments tweaking this “right” if it is so absolute
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                      • Originally posted by mookie1995 View Post
                        Can one log into gov sites and see?
                        Doesn't the fact you don't know say enough?

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                        • Originally posted by unofan View Post
                          Doesn't the fact you don't know say enough?
                          Mookie knows he is registered cause he votes.

                          Plus mookie can’t access many gov websites since he is outside the US to even check
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                          • Re: SCOTUS 10: Pack the Court!

                            Originally posted by First Time, Long Time View Post
                            What amendment says if you don't use a right you lose that right?
                            That's why it matters.
                            You don't lose a right simply because you chose not to always exercise that right.
                            Could you imagine if the Democrats tried to propose taking someone’s guns if they didn’t vote every six years?
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                            • Re: SCOTUS 10: Pack the Court!

                              Kep

                              Think you're still on the voting rolls in PoR, MD?
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                                Originally posted by joecct View Post
                                Kep

                                Think you're still on the voting rolls in PoR, MD?
                                I won't be voting there so why would I care?
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