But I sincerely disagree that it "would be a great move for OSU." IMHO, the OSU program would be trading down in every respect except travel cost. Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying we'd be joining a league that's "bad" in any way. But we would be taking a step backward in terms of excellence.
Many have argued the following:
1. The CHA Autobid is an "easier path" to the NCAA tournament; and that
2. This factor is intoxicatingly attractive.
I've always rejected this line of reasoning. Why sneak into the tournament to grab a participation ribbon? Competing in the strongest possible league is the best way to prepare for the tournament. Once in the tournament, I want the team to be capable of doing some damage, like the 2017-18 Buckeyes did. Seeking an easier path undercuts that approach. Further, knowledgeable recruits would see right through such a ruse. Recruiting would likely suffer, particularly in the Upper Midwest.
To finish on a positive note, I'm glad your heart wants us to stay.
I was addressing the argument that's been made most frequently over the years. (as to why OSU should move) But yes. Winning a CHA Title isn't nearly as easy as many have argued. I've personally made that point multiple times over the years.
Please understand, it's just not possible to cover every relevant point in a single post -- although I'm often guilty of trying. In this case I was actually trying to avoid being comprehensive, because I've addressed this subject so many times over the years.
Sure, the CHA is a good league. And suggesting that OSU join it isn't offensive. But if we like the league we're in and the league continues to want us, then others ought to respect that.
A 625 winning percentage is good by my standards but not great. If I recall, you were 0 and 1 against OSU which is not good.
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Maybe I'm missing something but you just asked me which MSU I go to and then you knew the theme of my homecoming, how do you know one and not the other?
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Being in the strongest conference doesn't necessarily help you get to the national tournament. The same thing holds true in D3 hockey. It's been argued for years that the NESCAC is the strongest D3 conference therefore it's better to play there than any other conference to make it to the D3 national tournament, but Middlebury is still the only team in that conference that consistently makes it to the D3 national tournament. Middlebury in the NESCAC is comparable to Wisconsin or Minnesota in the WCHA.
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Clarkson has broken through the WCHA stranglehold on national titles but Minnesota and Wisconsin (and to a lesser degree now, UMD) are still the standard bearers for women's college hockey and that is a big deal getting to compete against that.
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I don't make it to road games much these days, but I can confirm that what you say is real. I've been to Buckeye games at St. Cloud, Mankato & Duluth. In each case Buckeye families were well represented.
But to my ear, this sounds like an opportunity to break even. A hopeful thought that things might not be so bad. My question is this: Why would I want to change conferences for a chance to break even?
This is an interesting conversation but...
Changing strategies from having a strong recruiting presence in the Mid-West (especially Minnesota) based on conference affiliation to potentially changing to another conference and shifting the primary focus to recruiting in Canada does not seem like a benefit. There are no guarantees that they would make headway with that strategy against Clarkson and the rest of the Ivy League schools, let alone the top Hockey East teams. That seems like a big risk, especially with the current facilities OSU has.
No way is OSU, as a member of the same power 5 conference as Minnesota and Wisconsin, going to move from the WCHA to the CHA regardless of Penn State being in the CHA. Not gonna happen.
While this isn't irrational, it's not the way most athletes think.I'd much rather play in the CHA and have much higher odds of making the NCAA tournament vs staying in the WCHA just to play Wisconsin and Minnesota 4 games a year in the regular season. That's definitely not worth it. It's a whole different recruiting conversation when you tell a prospect she has a chance to make it to the NCAA tournament each of her 4 years by playing in the CHA compared to telling her she has the chance to play against and probably lose to Wisconsin and Minnesota 4 times each year for her 4 years of college hockey not to mention a very limited chance of ever making it to the NCAA tournament.
Personally, I never had the ability to be a D-1 Athlete in any sport. Not even close. But I was fortunate enough to participate in several sports beyond the beginner level. In the various Varsity & JV experiences, never once did I have the thought: "Gosh, I wish our team would change leagues so the competition would be easier."
Granted, strong players sometimes play down as "ringers" in Rec Sports leagues. But frankly I find even that choice hard to understand.
Penn State to the WCHA so it can be with its Big10 Sisters and gets the league to 8. Flies in the face of geography, but the Big10 school would be all together.
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But it potentially is what is. For me the hope would be that LIU-Brooklyn joins the league, and quickly finds a way to compete, and stays in the league. For the sake of the growth of college hockey and an auto bid, Iíd welcome them with open arms.
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