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  • #931
    Re: 0 Days Since Last Shooting: But the Second Amendment!

    Originally posted by SJHovey View Post
    Guns themselves are completely safe. Mine are a collection of steel and wood sitting quietly in my home.

    Guns in the hands of people who don't know how to safely handle them, who are too young or incapacitated to safely handle them, or choose to pick them up and use them for evil intent, are weapons capable of great harm.
    So no issues with Iran and the Norks stockpiling nukes? They are, after all, just a collection of materials sitting quietly.

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    • #932
      Re: 0 Days Since Last Shooting: But the Second Amendment!

      Originally posted by jerphisch View Post
      So no issues with Iran and the Norks stockpiling nukes? They are, after all, just a collection of materials sitting quietly.
      Ala the "automobile", there is some positive (or neutral) usage of a personal firearm: target shooting, hunting, personal defense.

      There is no purpose for a nuclear weapon but mass destruction hence its designation as a weapon of mass destruction.
      The preceding post may contain trigger words and is not safe-space approved. <-- Virtue signaling.

      North Dakota Hockey:

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      • #933
        Re: 0 Days Since Last Shooting: But the Second Amendment!

        Originally posted by The Sicatoka View Post
        Ala the "automobile", there is some positive (or neutral) usage of a personal firearm: target shooting, hunting, personal defense.

        There is no purpose for a nuclear weapon but mass destruction hence its designation as a weapon of mass destruction.
        I started typing the same response, and then thought, "if this has to be explained, what's the point?"
        That community is already in the process of dissolution where each man begins to eye his neighbor as a possible enemy, where non-conformity with the accepted creed, political as well as religious, is a mark of disaffection; where denunciation, without specification or backing, takes the place of evidence; where orthodoxy chokes freedom of dissent; where faith in the eventual supremacy of reason has become so timid that we dare not enter our convictions in the open lists, to win or lose.

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        • #934
          Re: 0 Days Since Last Shooting: But the Second Amendment!

          Originally posted by The Sicatoka View Post
          Ala the "automobile", there is some positive (or neutral) usage of a personal firearm: target shooting, hunting, personal defense.

          There is no purpose for a nuclear weapon but mass destruction hence its designation as a weapon of mass destruction.
          So basically it's like a far more powerful AR-15. Glad we got that settled.

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          • #935
            Re: 0 Days Since Last Shooting: But the Second Amendment!

            Originally posted by trixR4kids View Post
            So basically it's like a far more powerful AR-15. Glad we got that settled.
            Since you guys persist in driving off this cliff, let me ask you this question. What do you think the debate over nuclear weapons would be like in this world if you could also take an ICBM with a nuclear warhead and hook it up to the power grid and supply all of the electrical needs of Tehran?
            That community is already in the process of dissolution where each man begins to eye his neighbor as a possible enemy, where non-conformity with the accepted creed, political as well as religious, is a mark of disaffection; where denunciation, without specification or backing, takes the place of evidence; where orthodoxy chokes freedom of dissent; where faith in the eventual supremacy of reason has become so timid that we dare not enter our convictions in the open lists, to win or lose.

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            • #936
              Re: 0 Days Since Last Shooting: But the Second Amendment!

              Originally posted by The Sicatoka View Post
              Ala the "automobile", there is some positive (or neutral) usage of a personal firearm: target shooting, hunting, personal defense.

              There is no purpose for a nuclear weapon but mass destruction hence its designation as a weapon of mass destruction.
              Those are all very subjective. Guns are for killing, just likes nukes. I believe Kim Jong Un would tell you nukes are necessary for his countries national defense. He shoots off missiles for target practice so if they are needed he knows he can hit his target. From his perspective there would be plenty of "positives" to his having a nuclear arsenal. Objectively VERY few people NEED a gun.

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              • #937
                Re: 0 Days Since Last Shooting: But the Second Amendment!

                Originally posted by jerphisch View Post
                Those are all very subjective. Guns are for killing, just likes nukes. I believe Kim Jong Un would tell you nukes are necessary for his countries national defense. He shoots off missiles for target practice so if they are needed he knows he can hit his target. From his perspective there would be plenty of "positives" to his having a nuclear arsenal. Objectively VERY few people NEED a gun.
                Comparing a WMD to a personal firearm makes comparing a scimitar to a scalpel sound reasonable.

                PS - Who decides who of "VERY few people NEED a gun"? You? Me? SJ? Kep? Barack Obama? Sarah Palin? Ruth Bader Ginsberg? Neil Gorsuch? Chuck Schumer? Mike Lee?
                Last edited by The Sicatoka; 05-30-2018, 11:19 AM.
                The preceding post may contain trigger words and is not safe-space approved. <-- Virtue signaling.

                North Dakota Hockey:

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                • #938
                  Re: 0 Days Since Last Shooting: But the Second Amendment!

                  Originally posted by jerphisch View Post
                  Those are all very subjective. Guns are for killing, just likes nukes. I believe Kim Jong Un would tell you nukes are necessary for his countries national defense. He shoots off missiles for target practice so if they are needed he knows he can hit his target. From his perspective there would be plenty of "positives" to his having a nuclear arsenal. Objectively VERY few people NEED a gun.
                  One of the things that I think is extremely funny, while at the same time being extraordinarily sad about the entire gun debate and "assault weapons" (i.e. AR-15's) in particular is 25 years ago no one ever purchased an AR-15 even though they were readily available and for sale to the public since the 1960's. They were the gun version of a 1998 Kia.

                  Then, someone got the spectacular idea of banning the sale of them, but only temporarily. When GWB elected not to renew the ban maybe 10 years later, they suddenly became one of the most sought after consumer goods in the country.
                  That community is already in the process of dissolution where each man begins to eye his neighbor as a possible enemy, where non-conformity with the accepted creed, political as well as religious, is a mark of disaffection; where denunciation, without specification or backing, takes the place of evidence; where orthodoxy chokes freedom of dissent; where faith in the eventual supremacy of reason has become so timid that we dare not enter our convictions in the open lists, to win or lose.

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                  • #939
                    Re: 0 Days Since Last Shooting: But the Second Amendment!

                    Originally posted by The Sicatoka View Post
                    Comparing a WMD to a personal firearm makes comparing a scimitar to a scalpel sound reasonable.

                    PS - Who decides who of "VERY few people NEED a gun"? You? Me? SJ? Kep? Barack Obama? Sarah Palin? Ruth Bader Ginsberg? Neil Gorsuch? Chuck Schumer? Mike Lee?
                    Comparing firearms to cars and knives is just as dumb, yet you do it all the time. Way to ignore the substance and change the subject though. You gave completely subjective reasons as "positives" for gun use, while comparing it to automobiles that have a very objective positive use.

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                    • #940
                      Re: 0 Days Since Last Shooting: But the Second Amendment!

                      So basically they should just reinstate the ban and then don't lift it.

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                      • #941
                        Re: 0 Days Since Last Shooting: But the Second Amendment!

                        Originally posted by jerphisch View Post
                        ... automobiles that have a very objective positive use.
                        Killing the planet?
                        The preceding post may contain trigger words and is not safe-space approved. <-- Virtue signaling.

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                        • #942
                          Re: 0 Days Since Last Shooting: But the Second Amendment!

                          Originally posted by trixR4kids View Post
                          So basically they should just reinstate the ban and then don't lift it.
                          You can do that. But as I've pointed out innumerable times before, it's useless. It won't solve the problem everyone here complains about, which is gun violence and mass shootings. Furthermore, it has the effect of giving political cover to politicians who don't deserve it, and are like the rest of us in that they don't have a good solution to the problem.
                          That community is already in the process of dissolution where each man begins to eye his neighbor as a possible enemy, where non-conformity with the accepted creed, political as well as religious, is a mark of disaffection; where denunciation, without specification or backing, takes the place of evidence; where orthodoxy chokes freedom of dissent; where faith in the eventual supremacy of reason has become so timid that we dare not enter our convictions in the open lists, to win or lose.

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                          • #943
                            Re: 0 Days Since Last Shooting: But the Second Amendment!

                            Originally posted by SJHovey View Post
                            I believe gun ownership statistics show that the number of people who own guns now, say as compared to 40 years ago, has dropped significantly.
                            more people hunted 40 years ago. People didn't collect "assault rifles" or feel the need to carry a concealed hand gun to check their mail.

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                            • #944
                              Re: 0 Days Since Last Shooting: But the Second Amendment!

                              Originally posted by The Sicatoka View Post
                              Ala the "automobile", there is some positive (or neutral) usage of a personal firearm: target shooting, hunting, personal defense.

                              There is no purpose for a nuclear weapon but mass destruction hence its designation as a weapon of mass destruction.
                              we have them for defense, right? (MAD was a form of defense)

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                              • #945
                                Re: 0 Days Since Last Shooting: But the Second Amendment!

                                Originally posted by SJHovey View Post
                                You can do that. But as I've pointed out innumerable times before, it's useless. It won't solve the problem everyone here complains about, which is gun violence and mass shootings. Furthermore, it has the effect of giving political cover to politicians who don't deserve it, and are like the rest of us in that they don't have a good solution to the problem.
                                Well someone on here showed that it did help but obviously more would need to be done to further fix the problem. We don't even have the bare minimum common sense laws in a number of states.
                                Last edited by trixR4kids; 05-30-2018, 11:40 AM.

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