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    Quote Originally Posted by unofan View Post
    And you wore an onion on your belt, as was the style at the time.

    FWIW, back when I went to mass I would've agreed with you. But you're also kidding yourself if you think traditional services are what will bring the youth back into the fold. That ship sailed a long time ago for a multitude of reasons. Immigrants are the only growing demographic for the church in this country, and that will only last for a couple of generations.
    I run the HS group at my church. The kids, almost to a person, HATE the attempts to go all modern and rock-a-billy. They think that is for Church at Church Camp. They are horrified that the traditions are being messed with in their name (they brought this up, I didn't). They tried the more modern wording of the Our Father and all the kids recited it the 'correct way'. Made some of it sound sort of like talking in tongues instead of in concert

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    I run the HS group at my church. The kids, almost to a person, HATE the attempts to go all modern and rock-a-billy. They think that is for Church at Church Camp. They are horrified that the traditions are being messed with in their name (they brought this up, I didn't). They tried the more modern wording of the Our Father and all the kids recited it the 'correct way'. Made some of it sound sort of like talking in tongues instead of in concert
    I wonder if they would find the First Council of Nicea interesting, the way the church basically called a political convention to decide the nature of God (to paraphrase ). That was only three centuries after Jesus died, so I guess it would be considered messing with traditions at the front end.

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    I wonder if they would find the First Council of Nicea interesting, the way the church basically called a political convention to decide the nature of God (to paraphrase ). That was only three centuries after Jesus died, so I guess it would be considered messing with traditions at the front end.
    They did that in Confirmation class.

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    modern wording of the Our Father
    I had to look this up, and it makes even me cringe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FadeToBlack&Gold View Post
    I had to look this up, and it makes even me cringe.
    This.

    The kids said it was insulting and dumbed down. The reason for changing the wording was to make it 'easier' to get the point. The kids said it was stupid. Did they think they (the kids) were stupider than other generations and couldn't learn what it was about rather than change it?

    I feel the same way about the newer wording in the Catholic Mass. I used to go and easily participate even tho I am a Heretic. Now I just roll my eyes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leswp1 View Post
    This.

    The kids said it was insulting and dumbed down. The reason for changing the wording was to make it 'easier' to get the point. The kids said it was stupid. Did they think they (the kids) were stupider than other generations and couldn't learn what it was about rather than change it?

    I feel the same way about the newer wording in the Catholic Mass. I used to go and easily participate even tho I am a Heretic. Now I just roll my eyes.
    It's why I like the Episcopalian service. It's not been dumbed down and there's no appeal to emotion either. It's there and you either like it or not. I also like the fact that our services can be peppy, without being a rock concert. We draw from everything for music, including jazz and Negro spirituals. We even have a Fraction Anthem, which is our song for the breaking of the bread.
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    Prayer being "dumbed down" misses what prayer is.

    It is a ritual you join with. If it has any meaning, that's it. It's not wifi to the gods -- you can't upgrade or go to the next version. There's nobody on the other side. Say the stupid words and try to feel something. This is not hard.
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    Re: Religion Thread: We Could Say a Prayer

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    I feel the same way about the newer wording in the Catholic Mass. I used to go and easily participate even tho I am a Heretic. Now I just roll my eyes.
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    amazing how total recall works
    Yup. It's all still in there, every jot and tittle. Dr. Mrs. looked at me like I was Marilu Henner.

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    I expect nothing from fundies/evangelicals, and I'm getting it back by the semi-trailer full.
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    God didn't tell her not to wear that particular kit. SHE decided not to wear that particular kit.

    But that's true: if you really want to or don't want to do something, just say God commanded it so people support you.
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    But you're also kidding yourself if you think traditional services are what will bring the youth back into the fold.
    You're saying "consubstantial" and "and with your spirit" and chest thumps won't bring them flocking back in?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Sicatoka View Post
    You're saying "consubstantial" and "and with your spirit" and chest thumps won't bring them flocking back in?
    I'm no longer in a contemporary service, but a few of my 50 something friends who committed to a contemporary service are wondering how much longer they can go on like this...

    Me? I'm fine with my liturgy and The Hymnal 1982.
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    You're saying "consubstantial" and "and with your spirit" and chest thumps won't bring them flocking back in?
    It's been all downhill since filioque.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kepler View Post
    It's been all downhill since filioque.
    Since we punted the Last Gospel and the Leonine Prayers after Mass.

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    Now this is impressive, even for Christianity.
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    Now this is impressive, even for Christianity.
    I wonder what it does to you over time, gulping down demon seed.
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    I wonder what it does to you over time, gulping down demon seed.
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    Re: Religion Thread: We Could Say a Prayer

    More of this sh-t.

    Australian sources report that a brother and sister in Tasmania have been ordered to pay over two million Australian dollars after a court rejected their argument that paying income tax “goes against God’s will.” Rembertus Cornelis Beerepoot and Fanny Alida Beerepoot, who should be entitled to a substantial tax credit just because of those names, were charged with refusing to pay at least $930,000 in taxes and other charges. The two Christian missionaries told the court that they had paid taxes before 2011, but a “deepened spiritual relationship” had led them to realize that, in fact, paying taxes was contrary to the law of God.

    I’m sure that, like me, the most pressing question you have right now is how the F did a couple of Christian missionaries earn so much money in the first place that they ended up owing over $900k of it in taxes? This may be the cumulative total they owed from 2011 to the present, but still, missionary salaries appear to have skyrocketed since the last time I checked on them (which I admit was never). The report unfortunately does not answer that question, (nor does this more detailed one that was actually trying to answer that question).

    The Beerepoots, who are certainly blessed in the name department, told the Tasmanian Supreme Court that they believed God’s law was paramount and that it did not allow the diversion of His revenues to any earthly agency. “We rely on the blessings we receive from God,” Fanny Alida Beerepoot said, “which we give [back?] to him and not to an outside entity such as the tax office.” Requiring people to pay taxes took away their dependence on God, said Rembertus Cornelis Beerepoot, and this explained why Australia is “cursed.”
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