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    Kep said I found spiritual connections that weren't ugly or hateful. Well, my team keeps showing up for me. This past Friday, I learned a very good friend of mine committed suicide, and my team hasn't stopped holding me tight or listening to my grief since then. One of my Grace Episcopal Mamas stayed later at Holland Pride yesterday just to hold me close and provide a shoulder to lean on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kepler View Post
    the atheist community doesn't have a pedophile, domestic violence, racist problem.
    Careful, you'll give 5mn to come back in here to give some one-off example of an atheist who was (probably) a pedophile.
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    Oh my... I believe. And I was talking with another friend who believes as well. But one of her responses to my friend's suicide is that "we live in a fallen world."

    On one hand, I want to slap her senseless.

    On the other, I believe she's just detached from the situation and has never had to offer comfort and prayer at a time like this.

    So, even though she's 20-25 years older than me, I just believe her brain isn't developed yet.
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    If she's 20-25 years older than you, odds are she may still be of the mindset that suicide is a sin. That attitude is hard to shake among people older than 55.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MissThundercat View Post
    Oh my... I believe. And I was talking with another friend who believes as well. But one of her responses to my friend's suicide is that "we live in a fallen world."

    On one hand, I want to slap her senseless.

    On the other, I believe she's just detached from the situation and has never had to offer comfort and prayer at a time like this.

    So, even though she's 20-25 years older than me, I just believe her brain isn't developed yet.
    I am not articulate tonight- trying to convey what I am thinking but probably won't be successful.

    I think also that people fatigue out when they have experienced repetitive anguish for a long time. They learn not to feel as acutely or have been down the road before and get almost resigned to it happening. The older the person is the more likely you are to see death viewed as a part of the cycle even when it is a horrible one. Not like they don't feel but they have a lot of practice feeling and working thru what they feel. They are less shocked even when bad things happen unexpectedly. They don't seem to struggle as much with the injustice- I have heard a lot of people acknowledge it sucks but then say there is nothing they can do, could have done (even if that is not true).

    I know a few people mostly in their 80s who view grief as a human problem. They believe in God, the hereafter and think the person who died is fine, the issue is a human failing of not being glad for the person who is now OK. I am not sure how this jives with the loss of the person in your life but some of them have lost most of their friends so this is what they come up with.

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    After spending a few million $$ fighting the Sheen family , the Archdiocese of NY finally complied with the court(s) order and transferred the body to Fulton J. Sheen from the crypt of St. Patrick's Cathedral to the Diocese of Peoria (at 5:55 am).

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    Sounds to me like they just wanted the guy's bones. The Church has always had a weird fascination with bone relics, likely as an easy way to keep the coffers full back during medieval and Renaissance times when the Popes were more *ahem*...worldly.

    "There is a mandatory donation of 10 pieces of gold to pray in the Chapel of St. Butterface's Femur, my son. How do we know it's her bones, you ask? Get behind me Satan, have you no FAITH?!?!"

    The Wittelsbachs had 2-3 rooms full of them lying around at the Residenz in Munich, presumably protecting them from the heretical Lutheran hordes of Saxony and Prussia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FadeToBlack&Gold View Post
    Sounds to me like they just wanted the guy's bones. The Church has always had a weird fascination with bone relics, likely as an easy way to keep the coffers full back during medieval and Renaissance times when the Popes were more *ahem*...worldly.

    "There is a mandatory donation of 10 pieces of gold to pray in the Chapel of St. Butterface's Femur, my son. How do we know it's her bones, you ask? Get behind me Satan, have you no FAITH?!?!"

    The Wittelsbachs had 2-3 rooms full of them lying around at the Residenz in Munich, presumably protecting them from the heretical Lutheran hordes of Saxony and Prussia.
    It has to do with the advancement for sainthood.

    I also think there are some ++Spellman skeletons that the ADNY did not want out of the closet.

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    Spellman is pretty well documented, though I suppose it would be more scandalous if he'd been carrying on with another celebrated priest, rather than just a Broadway guild member.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FadeToBlack&Gold View Post
    Spellman is pretty well documented, though I suppose it would be more scandalous if he'd been carrying on with another celebrated priest, rather than just a Broadway guild member.
    McCarrick?

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    This whole discussion is wacky

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    I found this today picking at random. Submitted without comment.


    Progress by Matthew Arnold

    The Master stood upon the mount, and taught.
    He saw a fire in his disciples’ eyes;
    ‘The old law’, they said, ‘is wholly come to naught!
    Behold the new world rise!’

    ‘Was it’, the Lord then said, ‘with scorn ye saw
    The old law observed by Scribes and Pharisees?
    I say unto you, see ye keep that law
    More faithfully than these!

    ‘Too hasty heads for ordering worlds, alas!
    Think not that I to annul the law have will’d;
    No jot, no tittle from the law shall pass,
    Till all hath been fulfill’d.’

    So Christ said eighteen hundred years ago.
    And what then shall be said to those to-day,
    Who cry aloud to lay the old world low
    To clear the new world’s way?

    ‘Religious fervours! ardour misapplied!
    Hence, hence,’ they cry, ’ye do but keep man blind!
    But keep him self-immersed, preoccupied,
    And lame the active mind!’

    Ah! from the old world let some one answer give:
    ‘Scorn ye this world, their tears, their inward cares?
    I say unto you, see that your souls live
    A deeper life than theirs!

    ‘Say ye: The spirit of man has found new roads,
    And we must leave the old faiths, and walk therein?—
    Leave then the Cross as ye have left carved gods,
    But guard the fire within!

    ‘Bright, else, and fast the stream of life may roll,
    And no man may the other’s hurt behold;
    Yet each will have one anguish—his own soul
    Which perishes of cold.’

    Here let that voice make end; then let a strain,
    From a far lonelier distance, like the wind
    Be heard, floating through heaven, and fill again
    These men’s profoundest mind:

    ‘Children of men! the unseen Power, whose eye
    For ever doth accompany mankind,
    Hath looked on no religion scornfully
    That men did ever find.

    ‘Which has not taught weak wills how much they can?
    Which has not fall’n on the dry heart like rain?
    Which has not cried to sunk, self-weary man:
    Thou must be born again!

    ‘Children of men! not that your age excel
    In pride of life the ages of your sires,
    But that you think clear, feel deep, bear fruit well,
    The Friend of man desires.’
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    I have to say, I never thought I'd live to see Arnold, Wordsworth, or Keats quoted in a hockey forum. Yeats . . . sure.

    That's a nice gift, Kep.
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    Yeats . . . sure.
    That is a great line.
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    Kepler's right. I do have good spiritual connections, ones that lift me up, ones that I can share 3.5 hour dinners at Denny's with, ones that hold me super tight after tragic events... who needs the Catholic church? Besides, the Church is rather bold to assume anything they say is still relevant.
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    When the Storybook Pride Prom for LGBT teens in Jacksonville, Fla., was canceled after online conservative backlash, a local church made sure the story had a happy ending.

    The Willowbranch Library in Jacksonville originally organized the event, inviting 14- to 18-year-olds to come in costume as their favorite book characters, with a dress code of “casual, formal, or in drag — whatever makes you feel great. Be you!” Over 100 teens planned to attend.

    When the event caught the attention of a conservative blogger who encouraged her nearly 700,000 Facebook followers to call the library to complain, the Jacksonville Public Library canceled the event last week amid fears for the teens’ safety — to the outrage of many local parents and community members.

    Ultimately, the kids got their dance. The Buckman Bridge Unitarian Universalist Church in Jacksonville stepped in and held the prom Friday, the same night as the original event at the neighborhood’s library.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SonofSouthie View Post
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md...=.beb21d00080f

    I emailed them a short note thanking them for what they did.

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    Very nice.

    I'm not quite tracking on why the JPL didn't ask the cops for protection commensurate with the threat. Isn't that the reason we have cops? (And yes I realize that FL cops are probably writing the hate letters, but f-ck them, they're working for us.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by MissThundercat View Post
    Kepler's right. I do have good spiritual connections, ones that lift me up, ones that I can share 3.5 hour dinners at Denny's with, ones that hold me super tight after tragic events... who needs the Catholic church? Besides, the Church is rather bold to assume anything they say is still relevant.
    People like to downplay the Catholic Church as being irrelevant, but if you ever see the numbers of people at Mass on a given weekend you'd see that there is still plenty of influence there. One of the three parishes in Oakdale, MN, pulls in 1500 bodies any given weekend, more than double that during the big events. While I disagree with much of what they say, I can tell you that a very large number of people there truly believe what they're told each and every week. And there's a resurgence of the conservative ethos/view of the Bible bubbling up from within itself. It's a shame they can't turn that resurgence into love for all rather than the chosen few.
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