Religion Thread: We Could Say a Prayer

[Kepler]

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He's not wrong.

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

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I feel like church maybe owes people an apology.

I hope snl tells them to pound sand

[St. Clown]

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I feel like church maybe owes people an apology.

I hope snl tells them to pound sand

The Church has apologized. It needs to do so even more, and it needs to go beyond just the attendees at mass. There should be a large ad campaign that says, "We're criminal arseholes, too, please come back. After all, some of you support Trump!"

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

He's not wrong.

The laugh was at the expense of people who still support the Catholic Church and its existing leadership, not the victims. But nice try with the attempt to make the Church the victim.

Let the Vatican burn for all I care. But take the artwork the gold first, as reparations for centuries of misdeeds and doublespoken moral terpitude.

[5mn_Major]

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The Church has apologized. It needs to do so even more, and it needs to go beyond just the attendees at mass.

Absolutely and snl should not apologize.

But tying an individuals bad behavior to an entire institution is poor journalism regardless of who does it. Rush Limbaugh's version would tie R. Kelly to Democrats (R. Kelly is a D) and be equally wrong. And believe me, Rush Limbaugh does have a version of that joke.

[Kepler]

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But tying an individuals bad behavior to an entire institution is poor journalism regardless of who does it.

Holy Mother Church deserves it for officially hiding the perps and smearing the victims. It can die in a Lake of Fire.

[Kepler]

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Let the Vatican burn for all I care. But take the artwork the gold first, as reparations for centuries of misdeeds and doublespoken moral terpitude.

Save the art(1), the buildings(2), the music(3), and the philosophy(4). Those are a pinnacle of human achievement, as important as the moon landings or medicine or democracy.

(1) Before 1600
(2) Before 1700
(3) Before 1800
(4) Before 1900

[5mn_Major]

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Holy Mother Church deserves it for officially hiding the perps and smearing the victims. It can die in a Lake of Fire.

No. Punish those responsible. I sense a we bit of personal history behind your quote.

[Kepler]

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No. Punish those responsible. I sense a we bit of personal history behind your quote.

The church officials are collectively responsible, the same way a company's management would be responsible for similar crimes and their cover up. The parishioners are not responsible.

I have no personal animus against the church other than having been bored to tears by mass for years by my parents, and that's hardly the church's fault.

[dxmnkd316]

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the same way a company's management would be responsible for similar crimes and their cover up.

Come again?

[Kepler]

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Come again?

Say a private day care company has employees who molest the kids. The company covers it up and moves those employees around between sites, where they molest again. The management of that company would be criminally responsible.

[5mn_Major]

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The church officials are collectively responsible, the same way a company's management would be responsible for similar crimes and their cover up.

What percent of the Catholic church officials and international ministries, such as those delivering fresh water to the third world, would you say knew nothing of rape or its cover up?

[dxmnkd316]

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Say a private day care company has employees who molest the kids. The company covers it up and moves those employees around between sites, where they molest again. The management of that company would be criminally responsible.

Oh, you're talking hypothetical. Or non-corporations. Got it. Because here I thought you were saying corporate execs are punished.

[St. Clown]

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What percent of the Catholic church officials and international ministries, such as those delivering fresh water to the third world, would you say knew nothing of rape or its cover up?

That is an impossible answer to give. The problem with the cover-up is that only the complicit knew what was happening. Some other priests may have heard rumors, but you can't know who or how many.

[5mn_Major]

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That is an impossible answer to give. The problem with the cover-up is that only the complicit knew what was happening. Some other priests may have heard rumors, but you can't know who or how many.

We should have some sort of idea if the entire church is to be punished. If the proposition is the entire church...then would we should assume that at least 80% of pastors nationwide would have participated in rape or the cover up.

So...the church has a long way to go to atone for its guilt. But let's not blame every last human associated with any organization that's had some wrong doing.