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    The body is failing, but the mind is still sharp.

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    Allow me to summarize it, for the folks short on time:

    1. Secular liberals are to blame for teaching people to, you know, live their personal lives as normal human beings with real human emotions. This apparently somehow included the normalization of pedophilia, though unsurprisingly His Worshipfulness fails to elaborate further on that falsehood.
    2. Blah blah blah moral relativism. AKA people saw us for the bigoted, backwards organization of bitter old cranks that we are and decided we didn't have all the answers, and that they could think for themselves. Boo freakin' hoo.
    3. Horny young dudes holed up in seminaries with no access to women still did plenty of horny young dude things, usually with the knowledge of leadership
    4. The Vatican sent investigators to report on the above, but they were largely stonewalled by the leadership of the Church in America, making sure everyone kept their jobs
    4.5 BTW, my books were shadowbanned in seminaries back in the 70s for being too conservative, and I'm still butthurt about it, so I thought I'd mention it as an aside (this was hilarious )
    5. We came up with a legal process which would've, in theory, brought justice to the accused and thrown the guilty out of the priesthood. However, since the abuses were largely hidden, it was basically just farting in the wind.
    6. Gotta get in a quick dig at the Protestants, hehehe sick burn ("Perhaps we should create another Church for things to work out? Well, that experiment has already been undertaken and has already failed.")
    7. Society needs God, freedumb requires faith, people need God to have purpose in life, yadda yadda yadda
    8. In conclusion, of course, nonbelievers are the reason pedophilia exists. *golf clap* for that hot take, Darth Benedict!

    My top takeaway from that overlong, pseudo-theological argle-bargle:

    Among the freedoms that the Revolution of 1968 sought to fight for was this all-out sexual freedom, one which no longer conceded any norms.

    The mental collapse was also linked to a propensity for violence. That is why sex films were no longer allowed on airplanes because violence would break out among the small community of passengers.
    They used to show dirty movies on airplanes?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MissThundercat View Post
    Yes, but the Bible I read says "let's not go bragging that you did something good... The Pharisees make a huge show of it, and in truth, they've already received their reward." (something like that)

    What I'm simply saying is let the act speak for itself. God saw it, right? No need to go on bragging about it, because in the end, the attention we get from speaking of our good deeds will be our only reward.
    Great question. My faith is well developed and I take this seriously. This speaks to some of it... 1) My faith is about the impact of the Bible. God is meaningless unless defined...and God is love. No really. 'Anyone who does not love does not know God, because God is love.' And what better way to speak of this faith than to show Her/His real world manifestations of love. And 2) IMO there's importance to going 'into all the world and preaching the Good News to everyone.' So how can I communicate 'the Good News' here without it being considered bragging? Also, what kind of Christian would I be if I didn't at least offer these alternative points of view?
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    Great question. My faith is well developed and I take this seriously. This speaks to some of it... 1) My faith is about the impact of the Bible. God is meaningless unless defined...and God is love. No really. 'Anyone who does not love does not know God, because God is love.' And what better way to speak of this faith than to show Her/His real world manifestations of love. And 2) IMO there's importance to going 'into all the world and preaching the Good News to everyone.' So how can I communicate 'the Good News' here without it being considered bragging? Also, what kind of Christian would I be if I didn't at least offer these alternative points of view?
    The distinction you seem either confused about or willfully ignorant of is the following:

    Assertion 1: God is a way to love.
    Great! A+. We're all with you!

    Assertion 2: God is the only way to love.
    No. You're an idiot. Go away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5mn_Major View Post
    So how can I communicate 'the Good News' here without it being considered bragging?
    I can envision a billion ways to do this. The fact that not a single one of them occurs to you speaks volumes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kepler View Post
    The distinction you seem either confused about or willfully ignorant of is the following:


    Great! A+. We're all with you!



    No. You're an idiot. Go away.

    Get it?
    I honestly don't know and would/could not answer either way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 5mn_Major View Post
    I honestly don't know and would/could not answer either way.
    OK, that's a fair answer. I would only say to you to open your eyes. You are surrounded in the world -- even here in this little corner of the world -- by people who are good and do good and do it without the slightest regard for your particular path. How then can you think that no, that's not really correct, there really is only one path? That's the point where I want to reach through the wires and whisper to you, "get out of your own f-cking head." You aren't participating in the world when you recycle that dogma. You're just saying "yay, team!" OT God was all about yay team. NT god is saying, "f-ck it, let's do some good in the world and don't worry about the old rules."

    What else is the new dispensation but "you've climbed the ladder, now it's just in your way"?
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    OK, that's a fair answer. I would only say to you to open your eyes. You are surrounded in the world -- even here in this little corner of the world -- by people who are good and do good and do it without the slightest regard for your particular path. How then can you think that no, that's not really correct, there really is only one path? That's the point where I want to reach through the wires and whisper to you, "get out of your own f-cking head." You aren't participating in the world when you recycle that dogma. You're just saying "yay, team!" OT God was all about yay team. NT god is saying, "f-ck it, let's do some good in the world and don't worry about the old rules."
    You appear to either misunderstand or mischaracterize me frequently.

    Here again is what I do believe: everyone is capable of doing good and I applaud everyone who does good. But I believe faith based (including Christian) activities just position and motivate one better than say watching television. Here's an example of faith directly resulting in amazing societal outcomes:

    More than 70 years ago, Danny Thomas, then a struggling young entertainer with a baby on the way, visited a Detroit church and was so moved during the Mass, he placed his last $7 in the collection box. When he realized what he’d done, Danny prayed for a way to pay the looming hospital bills. The next day, he was offered a small part that would pay 10 times the amount he’d given to the church.

    Two years later, Danny had achieved moderate acting success in Detroit, but he was struggling to take his career to the next level. Once again, he turned to the church. Praying to St. Jude Thaddeus, the patron saint of hopeless causes, Danny asked the saint to “help me find my way in life, and I will build you a shrine.” His career took a turn for the better, and soon he moved his family to Chicago to pursue career offers. A few years later, at another turning point in his life, Danny visited a church and remembered his pledge to St. Jude. Again he prayed to St. Jude and repeated his pledge to build a shrine to the saint if he would show him the way. In the years that followed, Danny's career flourished through films and television, and he became an internationally known entertainer. He remembered his pledge to build a shrine to St. Jude.

    In the early 1950s, Danny began discussing with friends what concrete form his vow might take. Gradually, the idea of a children’s hospital, possibly in Memphis, Tennessee, took shape. In 1955, Danny Thomas and a group of Memphis businessmen who had agreed to help support his dream seized on the idea of creating a unique research hospital devoted to curing catastrophic diseases in children. More than just a treatment facility, this would be a research center for the children of the world.

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    Although I might hear you be disturbed by 'Thomas' obsession with God' but what really matters is that Thomas' moral platform resulted in St. Jude Medical Foundation and an incredible number of lives have been saved as a result. Everyone can do good, but faith activities just motivate and position one better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 5mn_Major View Post
    Although I might hear you be disturbed by 'Thomas' obsession with God' but what really matters is that Thomas' moral platform resulted in St. Jude Medical Foundation and an incredible number of lives have been saved as a result. Everyone can do good, but faith activities just motivate and position one better.
    I'm sorry but you keep missing the point so I must be explaining really badly. I Do Not Care about what motivated Danny Thomas to do good. He did good. That is what matters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5mn_Major View Post
    More than 70 years ago, Danny Thomas, then a struggling young entertainer with a baby on the way, visited a Detroit church and was so moved during the Mass, he placed his last $7 in the collection box. When he realized what he’d done, Danny prayed for a way to pay the looming hospital bills. The next day, he was offered a small part that would pay 10 times the amount he’d given to the church.

    Two years later, Danny had achieved moderate acting success in Detroit, but he was struggling to take his career to the next level. Once again, he turned to the church. Praying to St. Jude Thaddeus, the patron saint of hopeless causes, Danny asked the saint to “help me find my way in life, and I will build you a shrine.” His career took a turn for the better, and soon he moved his family to Chicago to pursue career offers. A few years later, at another turning point in his life, Danny visited a church and remembered his pledge to St. Jude. Again he prayed to St. Jude and repeated his pledge to build a shrine to the saint if he would show him the way. In the years that followed, Danny's career flourished through films and television, and he became an internationally known entertainer. He remembered his pledge to build a shrine to St. Jude.
    Correlation does not prove causation. Plus, I find it just a bit convenient that his prayer was "answered" the very next day.

    It's wonderful that he built the hospital though.
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    Stated causes don't matter to their outcomes? Sure, go with that.
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    Buffet, Soros and bill gates are three of the biggest philanthropists in the world and all three are agnostic or atheist.
    Bills wife goes to Catholic Church, I would see her there before my family decided to stop going to church.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5mn_Major View Post
    Stated causes don't matter to their outcomes? Sure, go with that.
    Um. Not when it's magic.
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    "6 “Be careful not to practice your righteousness in front of others to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven.

    2 “So when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. 3 But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, 4 so that your giving may be in secret. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you." Matthew 6:1-3, NIV

    No one is saying don't do any good. I'm going into social work, I know. What is so hard about giving in secret? What is so hard about letting your acts speak for themselves?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MissThundercat View Post
    No one is saying don't do any good. I'm going into social work, I know. What is so hard about giving in secret? What is so hard about letting your acts speak for themselves?

    I volunteer at Out On the Lakeshore, Holland (MI) LGBT Resource Center. But when I say that, I don't scream "HEY, LOOK AT ME! LOOK AT WHAT I DO! AREN'T I AWESOME?"
    Great and I agree. Although I can't remember the last time I talked about how great I am for my volunteering.

    My point is that I don't think its bad to be the only one to provide positive examples of other people's faith - on a thread about faith.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 5mn_Major View Post
    My point is that I don't think its bad to be the only one to provide positive examples of other people's faith - on a thread about faith.


    Once again... slowly... nobody objects to positive examples of faith. If you do nice things because you believe My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic is real, that's great.

    The only time you get into trouble is when you use words like "only " or "better." Then you're just being a turd.

    Do good. Don't be a turd. You're 1x2 so far. So close...
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    Not responding to any specific post...but happy to answer good questions and have constructive dialog. Done responding to trolling.
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    What if it's in regards to a post about trolling while you have a line in the water? Which is better, a Johnson or a Mastercraft?
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    Quote Originally Posted by St. Clown View Post
    What if it's in regards to a post about trolling while you have a line in the water? Which is better, a Johnson or a Mastercraft?
    Will make an exception for this post.
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