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    I'm not a fan of Jesse Ventura, but his straight up telling the press that organized religion was a crutch was awesome. Zero effs given, that guy. Really a shame he turned out to be nuts.

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    There are so many hoops that this lady jumped through to connect the dots...



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    I wish I didn't check this thread out today. My faith in human intelligence was around an 8, it's been a good day, now it's about a 4. And I'm being polite.
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    You could have 666. You could of course also have 777 because it also looks like the letter zayin. To me they look the most like nun sofit. Which would be the dreaded 505050.

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    Quote Originally Posted by state of hockey View Post
    You could have 666. You could of course also have 777 because it also looks like the letter zayin. To me they look the most like nun sofit. Which would be the dreaded 505050.
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    Quote Originally Posted by state of hockey View Post
    You could have 666. You could of course also have 777 because it also looks like the letter zayin. To me they look the most like nun sofit. Which would be the dreaded 505050.
    I prefer 555. It's a lesser evil.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Rube View Post
    I wish I didn't check this thread out today. My faith in human intelligence was around an 8, it's been a good day, now it's about a 4. And I'm being polite.
    To be fair you should never check the religion thread when you want human intelligence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Rube View Post
    I prefer 555. It's a lesser evil.
    Very nice. :-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kepler View Post
    To be fair you should never check the religion thread when you want human intelligence.
    Lesson learned.
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    Diocese of Buffalo got hit with a civil RICO suit today.

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    Kep

    Picking this up from the NFL thread..

    Watch this (1 of 3).

    https://youtu.be/ZUCa0pkPBhs

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    Quote Originally Posted by joecct View Post
    Kep

    Picking this up from the NFL thread..

    Watch this (1 of 3).

    https://youtu.be/ZUCa0pkPBhs
    This is great, thanks!

    I had 3 years of Latin HS and college. Time to see if any of the synapses are still connected.

    I'd have wanted it all in my head. I learned ecclesiastical Latin so I don't have to unlearn pronunciation. What I would really like is to be able to read Aquinas in the original. I love scholastic philosophy but I can't help feeling I will never truly be able to engulf it without the language, like needing to know Arabic to truly get the Koran.
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    Quote Originally Posted by joecct View Post
    Without Divine Retribution, what keeps people on the straight and narrow?

    No heaven or hell means that you can live your life free of repercussions. If you can get away with it, you're good.

    Belief in a Supreme Judge means that you have somebody watching over all that you do and you have to answer for it.
    Does this include voting for people that wish to do harm to the poor, gays, people of color, of stealing from taxpayers by giving cuts to the rich while none to the middle class, trying to end food stamp programs, separating children from the parents, housing them in cages, knowing that some of them will never wind up reunited with their families because they don't have an adequate enough system setup to track them, sending Americans that lived 40 of their 41 years to a country they've never stepped foot in where they end up murdered all in the name of immigration reform...

    With all due respect gfy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slap Shot View Post
    Does this include voting for people that wish to do harm to the poor, gays, people of color, of stealing from taxpayers by giving cuts to the rich while none to the middle class, trying to end food stamp programs, separating children from the parents, housing them in cages, knowing that some of them will never wind up reunited with their families because they don't have an adequate enough system setup to track them, sending Americans that lived 40 of their 41 years to a country they've never stepped foot in where they end up murdered all in the name of immigration reform...

    With all due respect gfy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slap Shot View Post
    Does this include voting for people that wish to do harm to the poor, gays, people of color, of stealing from taxpayers by giving cuts to the rich while none to the middle class, trying to end food stamp programs, separating children from the parents, housing them in cages, knowing that some of them will never wind up reunited with their families because they don't have an adequate enough system setup to track them, sending Americans that lived 40 of their 41 years to a country they've never stepped foot in where they end up murdered all in the name of immigration reform...

    With all due respect gfy.
    What did my post have to do with my voting record (or yours) or with the price of gas in Bismark?

    Without God, there is no "ultimate judge" other than your conscience. If you have none (amoral) you can do almost anything - if you can get away with it.

    That, my dear poster, has no party or race, creed, color,or place of national origin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joecct View Post
    What did my post have to do with my voting record (or yours) or with the price of gas in Bismark?

    Without God, there is no "ultimate judge" other than your conscience. If you have none (amoral) you can do almost anything - if you can get away with it.

    That, my dear poster, has no party or race, creed, color,or place of national origin.
    Great- except what he is asking is a valid point. For many 'Believers' the threat of judgment seems to have little if any influence. They are willing to condone or accept atrocities while professing they know they will be judged. Meanwhile many people who profess NOT having belief in that judgment are crying out for the things that Jesus told us to do and crying our against things we should condemn- without any need of the threat of judgment to be Christlike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joecct View Post
    What did my post have to do with my voting record (or yours) or with the price of gas in Bismark?

    Without God, there is no "ultimate judge" other than your conscience. If you have none (amoral) you can do almost anything - if you can get away with it.

    That, my dear poster, has no party or race, creed, color,or place of national origin.
    How does that work if "God" is of your own creation? Who is the ultimate judge then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by joecct View Post
    Without God, there is no "ultimate judge" other than your conscience.
    There are plenty.

    There's your laws. (Hint: I do not recommend this.)

    There's your culture.

    There's humanity.

    There's any of a thousand different purely secular moral-ethical determinisms from evo-bio to utilitarianism.

    There's the I Ching or a magic 8 ball.

    They're all arbitrary, just like every god ever invented by man, which is to say, every god. The wonderful part of each god, once you strip away the creepy social control part, is that it was our earliest way to come to grips with humans' unique place in the universe as the source of good and bad in a way that every person could handle mentally and emotionally.

    The "grounding" of a god is itself just another arbitrary human creation. It is only deterministic if we declare it is. If that grounding on something outside yourself is what you need, you could accomplish the same thing by examining bird entrails.

    The grounding of a god as authoritative has the same problem as the idea of god as First Cause. It merely pushes the question back one step further. The solution to an infinite regress is you have made an error. There's no First Cause, and there's no ultimate authority. God as a parable is a brilliant human creation. God as a literal existant is Zeno declaring motion is impossible.

    Bad ethics, like bad epistemology, comes from bad metaphysics. The problem comes down to the desperate attempt to escape human responsibility for mores. But they are born with us. They are what we bring to the table. They are our nature. The very heart of human Being is we literally bring morality to life. Nature doesn't care. But humanity is born and we start throwing laws around because with us is born right and wrong.

    Don't run away from that. Face it.

    The tragedy: The universe does not care.

    The miracle: But we do. <-- And there's your reason to be good, right there. Because without you there is no good. That's the point of the metaphors of ****ation and hell. If you shirk your responsibility to create and Be good you missed your chance to be human, you are ****ed, and you live in hell. How long? Forever, for with your death time ends for you. For every instant t you will ever know, you live. You already have eternal life, by definition. You don't have to worry about the second after you die because after you die there are no more seconds.

    The price of our self-awareness is that human Being includes right and wrong.

    The good news is that there is no ultimate authority. Not because it's party time but because we are not born into a torture chamber with a grinning, seething, petty tyrant glowering at us. Good is arbitrary and always in negotiation, and good is always complete with us -- once the last human winks out there will be no good or bad in the universe, just rocks and cats. So this is it: your endless lifespan is the full breadth of the right and wrong in the universe.

    That is of course also the bad news. You are the single arbitrator of good and bad in all the universe in all of time. SO DON'T F-CK IT UP!

    Sleep tight.
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    When MissThundercat tells us she feels under lethal threat from the anti-trans fervor ginned up by the right, maybe we should believe her.
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