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    Re: Religion Thread: We Could Say a Prayer

    THis argument is like Groundhog Day. Same argument, different month (or maybe year?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by leswp1 View Post
    THis argument is like Groundhog Day. Same argument, different month (or maybe year?)
    Alright. So let me take you through groundhog day:

    1) Kepler says something unprovoked and inflammatory about our faith.
    2) I respond showing how he is both baseless and without facts in his assertion.
    3) He starts to explain, but in reality it's just more attacks.
    4) You create a false equivalency between he and I - even though he just called your God a terrorist or some such.
    5) I occasionally ask you about this.
    6) You flame me.

    So how about let's just skip steps 5 and 6.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 5mn_Major View Post
    Alright. So let me take you through groundhog day:

    1) Kepler says something unprovoked and inflammatory about our faith.
    2) I respond showing how he is both baseless and without facts in his assertion.
    3) He starts to explain, but in reality it's just more attacks.
    4) You create a false equivalency between he and I - even though he just called your God a terrorist or some such.
    5) I occasionally ask you about this.
    6) You flame me.

    So how about let's just skip steps 5 and 6.
    I tend not to interpret some of the posts the same way you do. I think that is #6.

    I must say the reactions are quite predicable tho.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5mn_Major View Post
    2)without facts
    Dude, it's called faith for a reason. You have literally no facts to back you up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leswp1 View Post
    THis argument is like Groundhog Day. Same argument, different month (or maybe year?)
    Pretty much. Just get out your popcorn and enjoy the mindless entertainment.

    Same deal with Joe and abortion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5mn_Major View Post
    1) Kepler says something unprovoked and inflammatory about our faith.
    Q. How many Christians does it take to change a lightbulb?

    A. That isn't funny.

    What else is the Cafe but people saying something unprovoked and inflammatory? It is the peculiar entitlement of the dogmatically religious that nobody is allowed to say anything about their folie a deux. They are the bully who threatens everyone else in the schoolyard but if somebody insults them then they cry and run for mommy.

    Toughen up. Your gods (both the OT Middle Eastern sociopath and the NT Silicon Valley entrepreneur) like men with a little more backbone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kepler View Post
    Q. How many Christians does it take to change a lightbulb?

    A. That isn't funny.

    What else is the Cafe but people saying something unprovoked and inflammatory? It is the peculiar entitlement of the dogmatically religious that nobody is allowed to say anything about their folie a deux. They are the bully who threatens everyone else in the schoolyard but if somebody insults them then they cry and run for mommy.

    Toughen up. Your gods (both the OT Middle Eastern sociopath and the NT Silicon Valley entrepreneur) like men with a little more backbone.
    This is quality.

    Iím glad youíre back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kepler View Post
    Toughen up. Your gods (both the OT Middle Eastern sociopath and the NT Silicon Valley entrepreneur) like men with a little more backbone.
    I would argue that tough is calling out intolerance when you see it and that being a bigot is quite cowardly.

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    Dude, it's called faith for a reason. You have literally no facts to back you up.
    The facts are that millions choose to turn to faith for self help.
    The facts are that hundreds of millions are helped by faith via charity and volunteerism.
    The facts are that skeptics here are so caught up in criticizing the means that they don't care whether people get helped or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dxmnkd316 View Post

    Iím glad youíre back.
    Very glad.

    And that is not to say I don't appreciate most of what 5mn puts out there. He adds to the discussion, IMO, particularly when explaining his philosophy of Christianity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by burd View Post
    Very glad.

    And that is not to say I don't appreciate most of what 5mn puts out there. He adds to the discussion, IMO, particularly when explaining his philosophy of Christianity.
    I have lots of skeptic friends who are capable of having meaningful conversations on faith. The skeptics here just can't. If it gets real, they just walk away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 5mn_Major View Post
    I have lots of skeptic friends who are capable of having meaningful conversations on faith. The skeptics here just can't. If it gets real, they just walk away.
    I respectfully disagree, 5mn. There have been some very meaningful conversations here involving you and skeptics. Sometimes we lapse into stereotypes and over-generalizations, but that is to be expected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5mn_Major View Post
    I would argue that tough is calling out intolerance when you see it and that being a bigot is quite cowardly.



    The facts are that millions choose to turn to faith for self help.
    The facts are that hundreds of millions are helped by faith via charity and volunteerism.
    The facts are that skeptics here are so caught up in criticizing the means that they don't care whether people get helped or not.
    People seeking and receiving help is good. There's no denying that. That's still not proof that your god exists. Millions of kids have faith in the Easter Bunny, and Tooth Fairy. Are they real?
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    At least, we're agreed that the outcomes of Christianity are 'good'.

    Quote Originally Posted by St. Clown View Post
    People seeking and receiving help is good. There's no denying that. That's still not proof that your god exists. Millions of kids have faith in the Easter Bunny, and Tooth Fairy. Are they real?
    The base definition of Christianity has nothing to do with existence. Christianity is defined as a religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus of Nazareth. And that definition explains the way in which millions get help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 5mn_Major View Post
    I would argue that tough is calling out intolerance when you see it and that being a bigot is quite cowardly.
    So would I, friend. So would I.
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    Re: Religion Thread: We Could Say a Prayer

    Quote Originally Posted by 5mn_Major View Post
    At least, we're agreed that the outcomes of Christianity are 'good'.



    The base definition of Christianity has nothing to do with existence. Christianity is defined as a religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus of Nazareth. And that definition explains the way in which millions get help.
    And what you just wrote completely removes your sect from perhaps >95% of Christians, who believe that Jesus Christ is God made corporeal, and the embodiment of the Holy Spirit. One might even call it a Holy Trinity.

    What you've described is essentially turning Christ into non-militaristic version of Sun Tzu.
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    The outcomes of Christianity are good? Iím not sure theyíre all good. Do they do some good things? Yes. They also do some terrible things and have for centuries

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deutsche Gopher Fan View Post
    The outcomes of Christianity are good? I’m not sure they’re all good. Do they do some good things? Yes. They also do some terrible things and have for centuries
    Yeah, he's got his blinders on to what people say. If it's right in front of his nose (that being his own perception of his own religion), then he zeroes in on it and ignores the (to steal a phrase from a certain pariah comedian) Yeah...but.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 5mn_Major View Post
    The facts are that skeptics here are so caught up in criticizing the means that they don't care whether people get helped or not.
    Physician, heal thyself.

    You're so caught up in defending Christianity that you don't care whether people get hurt or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 5mn_Major View Post
    The base definition of Christianity has nothing to do with existence. Christianity is defined as a religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus of Nazareth...
    *sigh*

    "Well, there you go again."

    I guess that means we can just throw out the Ten Commandments then. And everything else in the OT. If "I am the Lord your God" doesn't count and isn't a rule, then your version of Christianity just boils down to it being a self-help philosophy based on "love thy neighbor". That's fine, but it's something everyone should be doing anyway, and we shouldn't need a religious faith to figure that out.

    Literally no organized version of the Christian faith agrees with you, 5mn. You've got your own little, rebellious interpretation that many (probably even a majority) of your kind would find blasphemous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by St. Clown View Post
    And what you just wrote completely removes your sect from perhaps >95% of Christians, who believe that Jesus Christ is God made corporeal, and the embodiment of the Holy Spirit. One might even call it a Holy Trinity.

    What you've described is essentially turning Christ into non-militaristic version of Sun Tzu.
    Christianity is defined as simply following Jesus in every major dictionary in the modern English language. By definition, 'knowing' that God exists is not part of that equation. I'll never know why skeptics need to redefine it to something its not.

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    The outcomes of Christianity are good? I’m not sure they’re all good. Do they do some good things? Yes. They also do some terrible things and have for centuries
    Quote Originally Posted by unofan View Post
    Physician, heal thyself.

    You're so caught up in defending Christianity that you don't care whether people get hurt or not.
    Acts of love and helping the fortunate do seem to come from inspiration for love and helping the less fortunate.

    Acts of hatred and injury do not naturally come from love and helping the less fortunate - its pretty much a necessity that the actor does it in spite of Christian influence.
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