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  • Originally posted by gfmorris View Post
    Thanks. Why didn't I think of that? Ugh.

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    • Re: WCHA 2018 Off-Season: Nobody's Walking Out On This Old-Fashioned Hockey Conferenc

      With AQ, I believe there is some clause that if a certain number of teams had been playing at the D-I level before forming a new conference, they get the AQ right away. The CHA and MAAC/AH had to wait since most of the teams were new to the D-I ranks.

      Hence the Big10 and NCHC getting bids right of the bat.
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      • Originally posted by gfmorris View Post
        Yes, but that's a new conference, and new conferences have typically had to wait their turn before getting the AQ. The CHA didn't have an AQ until 2004, after five years of operations. (I think that some of the wait there was because of the whole Findlay debacle and MAAC schools dropping the Oilers from their schedules at the last minute.)

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        There was actually a proposal floated by several AHA/CCHA/WCHA coaches after the Big Ten and NCHC formed. It was for 3 seven team conferences and looked like this, or pretty close:

        1) Mankato, Bemidji, Tech, NMU, LSSU, Ferris, Anchorage
        2) Niagara, Canisius, RIT, Robert Morris, Mercyhurst, Bowling Green, Fairbanks
        3) Air Force, Army, Holy Cross, Bentley, AIC, Sacred Heart, Huntsville

        You would play each team in your conference four games and 2 each against a team from each of the other conferences.

        Apparently it made too much sense.
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        • Re: WCHA 2018 Off-Season: Nobody's Walking Out On This Old-Fashioned Hockey Conferenc

          A 52 game regular season? Ballsy.
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          • Originally posted by aparch View Post
            A 52 game regular season? Ballsy.
            You play each team in your conference four games for a total of 24. 2 games each with one team from each of the other 2 conferences for a total of 28.
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            • Originally posted by davyd83 View Post
              You play each team in your conference four games for a total of 24. 2 games each with one team from each of the other 2 conferences for a total of 28.
              A team v all teams. And, I assume Anchorage v Fairbanks each and every year??
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              • Re: WCHA 2018 Off-Season: Nobody's Walking Out On This Old-Fashioned Hockey Conferenc

                Originally posted by beaverhockeyfan View Post
                With AQ, I believe there is some clause that if a certain number of teams had been playing at the D-I level before forming a new conference, they get the AQ right away. The CHA and MAAC/AH had to wait since most of the teams were new to the D-I ranks.

                Hence the Big10 and NCHC getting bids right of the bat.
                Thanks, Millsy. That's it.

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                • Originally posted by beaverhockeyfan View Post
                  With AQ, I believe there is some clause that if a certain number of teams had been playing at the D-I level before forming a new conference, they get the AQ right away. The CHA and MAAC/AH had to wait since most of the teams were new to the D-I ranks.

                  Hence the Big10 and NCHC getting bids right of the bat.
                  Isn't it 6 teams that have played against each other for 2 years, or something a little more specific? SCSU was originally invited to join so the league would qualify for an AQ.

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                  • Originally posted by pdt1081 View Post
                    Isn't it 6 teams that have played against each other for 2 years, or something a little more specific? SCSU was originally invited to join so the league would qualify for an AQ.
                    As a multisport conference with 6 conference teams, the B1G was getting the AQ no matter what.

                    The NCHC was different as it is a single sport conference. Normally that's a 2 year wait for the AQ, but the NCAA does make exceptions
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                    • Re: WCHA 2018 Off-Season: Nobody's Walking Out On This Old-Fashioned Hockey Conferenc

                      Seems the issue comes down to wanting or needing more NC games. True NC games not where you play a team from the conference.

                      Question then is, how to make a reasonable schedule and can everyone get more NC games?

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                        Originally posted by giwan View Post
                        Seems the issue comes down to wanting or needing more NC games. True NC games not where you play a team from the conference.

                        Question then is, how to make a reasonable schedule and can everyone get more NC games?
                        reduce the number of conference games...

                        "NCAA teams are allowed to play 34 games during the regular season, not including conference postseason tournaments and the NCAA tournament. Conferences may impose further restrictions. Some in-season tournaments, special games and games played in Alaska are exempted from the 34-game limit."

                        if you play a series with each team in the conference, you play 18 games and are left eight series or 16 games. and if you play two series with each team you are over at 36.

                        with the two-region idea suggested you would play a total of 26 games (eight series with your side and five series with the other). the WCHA last year played 28 conference games - i would gladly take two extra games.

                        in the case of tech, i would love them to play UMD, SCSU, UMn, and UW every year. not to mention a weekend tournament or two.

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                          Originally posted by DrunkTrainPolka View Post
                          in the case of tech, i would love them to play UMD, SCSU, UMn, and UW every year. not to mention a weekend tournament or two.
                          That would be nice except that MN & SCSU have no interest in playing Tech. WI has no interest in going to Houghton. (They think Green Bay is far enough - Four games in Madison and two in GB is a "fair" exchange of games.) UMD is the only one on that list with a remote interest in going to Houghton.
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                            Originally posted by giwan View Post
                            Seems the issue comes down to wanting or needing more NC games.
                            Honestly, all the WCHA needs to do is get each team in the conference to win two more of the existing number of conference games they already play. Having a 0.700 NC record is a world better than sub 0.500. If the conference was winning almost 75% of their non-conference games, no one would worry about HOW MANY the teams were playing out of conference.
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                              Originally posted by JohnsonsJerseys View Post
                              Honestly, all the WCHA needs to do is get each team in the conference to win two more of the existing number of conference games they already play. Having a 0.700 NC record is a world better than sub 0.500. If the conference was winning almost 75% of their non-conference games, no one would worry about HOW MANY the teams were playing out of conference.
                              Ryan
                              you are correct. BUT the conference is not winning the games they play; and since hockey can go either way sometimes, yes a lucky bounce, playing more games would probably be in our favor. i doubt our record can get any worse.

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                                Originally posted by JohnsonsJerseys View Post
                                That would be nice except that MN & SCSU have no interest in playing Tech. WI has no interest in going to Houghton. (They think Green Bay is far enough - Four games in Madison and two in GB is a "fair" exchange of games.) UMD is the only one on that list with a remote interest in going to Houghton.
                                Ryan
                                In fairness to the Gophers, they do have 4 in-state non-conference teams that they make every effort to schedule, including road games. They are also once again playing traditional rival NoDak, and usually host their own tournament. There aren't a lot of openings on their dance card. As for Wisconsin? Yeah, that's just because Wisconsin is a bunch of jerks.

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