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Originally posted by HockeyEast33 View PostInteresting choice. Certainly a WAY better choice than the previous coach - she has at least had head coaching success, has recruiting contacts, and is relatively well thought of as a D3 recruiter. I would think she has a reasonable chance to make Brown better (better, not good. It will likely be a long time before they are good again after the mess they've made the last few years and what was left behind).Last edited by shelfit; 05-04-2018, 01:02 PM.
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Originally posted by shelfit View PostThat first round playoff loss to lowly UConn probably cost him his job.Minnesota Golden Gopher Hockey
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Originally posted by Lindsay View PostI wonder if Providence has a candidate in mind, maybe someone who applied at Brown? The timing is strange as Providence had their best record since 2011 this year.
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Originally posted by joehockey View PostDeraney worked hard to bring great facilities to the women’s program and helped many players become leaders. Thanks for 19 years of effort.
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Originally posted by Lindsay View PostI wonder if Providence has a candidate in mind, maybe someone who applied at Brown? The timing is strange as Providence had their best record since 2011 this year.
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Originally posted by shelfit View PostProvidence wouldn't and shouldn't know who applied at Brown. I have to believe that info is confidential isn't it?! Agree the decision itself seems strange as does the timing considering they had a much improved season except for the playoff results. His overall record is above .500 which doesn't typically result in being fired. There are plenty of other programs that I can think of that should be replacing their head coach before Providence. This is a sad decision. Good guy. Good coach. But maybe they want a great coach. Good luck to them finding that.
On the flip side of it, I wonder if applicants who were willing to take on the challenge of Brown, would also be interested in Providence.
Providence would be challenging in a different way, in that the new coach will be inheriting a program coming off a winning season, so expectations for immediate success would presumably be higher. Getting and staying to middle of the pack in the ECAC is probably a similar challenge to getting and staying in the middle of pack of HE. From the perspective of a Brown or Providence, winning either league is a great challenge, no difference there.Last edited by Lindsay; 05-05-2018, 10:28 AM.
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Originally posted by Lindsay View PostFor sure, I don’t think Brown can just hand over their candidate list. But sometimes these things get out. I wouldn’t be surprised if people in the hockey community know who interviewed for the Brown job.
On the flip side of it, I wonder if applicants who were willing to take on the challenge of Brown, would also be interested in Providence.
Providence would be challenging in a different way, in that the new coach will be inheriting a program coming off a winning season, so expectations for immediate success would presumably be higher. Getting and staying to middle of the pack in the ECAC is probably a similar challenge to getting and staying in the middle of pack of HE. From the perspective of a Brown or Providence, winning either league is a great challenge, no difference there.
- Academics - the available pool of players for Brown is dramatically smaller than the available pool of players for Providence based on admissions requirements.
- School Interest - Brown could care less whether their women's hockey team has any success (obviously) as long as they don't embarrass the school itself (getting close with Digit Murphy and again currently). Brown in general doesn't place a high emphasis on their sports team success -- except for football and basketball because they generate alum contributions. Providence does care about the success of all of their athletic programs and will bend the academic requirements to get players in. Deraney had a lot of opportunity and support to get high quality players to Providence he just generally wasn't successful in the recent past. The new Providence coach will get support and funding to be successful, the Brown coach will be limited in that support.
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Originally posted by HockeyEast33 View PostI believe that the challenge at Brown in terms of being middle of the pack or higher is WAY greater than Providence. Two reasons:
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The new Providence coach will get support and funding to be successful, the Brown coach will be limited in that support.
As for getting to the middle of the ECAC, if Brown can beat three Ivies and RPI and Union, they are middle of the pack. That’s not an unrealistic bar, when you consider other programs have down years etc. Hopefully the new coach can work on administration to get the support needed to be better than a perennial bottom dweller in a league. For all the excuses we make for the Ivies, they have a lot going for them and should be better than what Brown has been for the last very long while.
Edit: I know coaching has been a mess at Brown for a long time. With a good coach who can work on administration for support, as well as coach, Brown should be better than what they’ve been. I don’t see why the past has to dictate the future.Last edited by Lindsay; 05-08-2018, 08:11 AM.
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Originally posted by Lindsay View PostI think what I was trying to say was whether you have to get past BC or Clarkson to win a conference championship, you have your work cut out for you. Certainly Brown has more work to do than Providence.
As for getting to the middle of the ECAC, if Brown can beat three Ivies and RPI and Union, they are middle of the pack. That’s not an unrealistic bar, when you consider other programs have down years etc. Hopefully the new coach can work on administration to get the support needed to be better than a perennial bottom dweller in a league. For all the excuses we make for the Ivies, they have a lot going for them and should be better than what Brown has been for the last very long while.
Edit: I know coaching has been a mess at Brown for a long time. With a good coach who can work on administration for support, as well as coach, Brown should be better than what they’ve been. I don’t see why the past has to dictate the future.
Providence right now is the opposite end of the spectrum. They have as noted emphasized success. Over the past 5-10 years they have replaced many coaches, starting with the big men’s sports and recently to revive a long dormant women’s basketball program. In one way I suspect Deraney’s downfall was in part due to being well paid compared to many of his contemporaries, yes also longevity, but also due to PC’s desire to win.
You wondered about Brown’s coaching candidates applying to PC. I’m sure some will wishfully apply. However recent track record says the AD fishes in an entirely different pond. Division 1 head coaching and winning there have been a prerequisite in his recent searches. They already budget in an above average pay. Money talks—the women b-ball Coach was brought on after 2 decades at St Bonaventure, Leaman was pulled away from a team set up for long term success at Union (the basis of a national champion was in place). To make this move I would venture a guess they are confident they can lure a coach with a winning track record away from a good program. At the least several coaches are going to leverage this into nice raises at their present schoolLet's Go Pirates!
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