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  • #121
    Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers: Boogaloo

    Originally posted by Kepler View Post
    The nom was fixed in the way that most are -- insiders decide on their favorite and then do whatever they can to help them over the finish line, in exchange for goodies. I'm not saying he would have won if it wasn't, but as it played out she was given a huge advantage. That's not on Hillary; it's the way our politics has always worked. But to claim it was somehow the first unsullied nomination in party history is what's "pretending."
    Sanders getting zero support from non-whites in a Democratic primary doomed him. And if someone wants to run his playbook in 2020, they better improve on that.
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    • #122
      Originally posted by Kepler View Post
      The nom was fixed in the way that most are -- insiders decide on their favorite and then do whatever they can to help them over the finish line, in exchange for goodies. I'm not saying he would have won if it wasn't, but as it played out she was given a huge advantage. That's not on Hillary; it's the way our politics has always worked. But to claim it was somehow the first unsullied nomination in party history is what's "pretending."
      If Sanders had made any inroads with the African American vote, he would've won the nomination. That's not on the DNC, that's on him.

      Edit: I see this has already been covered.

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      • #123
        Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers: Boogaloo

        Originally posted by bronconick View Post
        Sanders getting zero support from non-whites in a Democratic primary doomed him. And if someone wants to run his playbook in 2020, they better improve on that.
        That is the first intelligent criticism of my argument I've seen on this thread. Thank you.

        It's a very good point. I can't explain it, which I'm sure is part of the problem. There is absolutely no reason why economic liberalism shouldn't resonate with non-whites. Even if one argues that it is a competing narrative with the identity red meat of the last two decades, there's no reason in principle why a savvy pol -- particularly a savvy pol of color -- couldn't merge the two in a reunification of liberalism's two great 20th century strands.
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        • #124
          Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers: Boogaloo

          Every day, we talk about the tragedy of Trump. We talk about dismantling the government, demeaning individuals, trade wars and supreme court justices. Well that all comes out of the vote...with much of that comes down to how the middle perceives Democratic party. Did Bernie get some disservice from the DNC? It appears yes. But the intention was to make Hillary seem like a national candidate when she was going to win anyways...this to improve her chances of winning the presidency. On the other side, the right wing media does its best to stop Democrats by criticizing everything with a D behind it. So when Democrats do the same...it just works against us.

          The broader point...I believe...is that we need all hands on deck. We lost by tens of thousands of votes in a number of places.
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          • #125
            Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers: Boogaloo

            Originally posted by Kepler View Post
            That is the first intelligent criticism of my argument I've seen on this thread. Thank you.
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            • #126
              Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers: Boogaloo

              Originally posted by Kepler View Post
              That is the first intelligent criticism of my argument I've seen on this thread. Thank you.

              It's a very good point. I can't explain it, which I'm sure is part of the problem. There is absolutely no reason why economic liberalism shouldn't resonate with non-whites. Even if one argues that it is a competing narrative with the identity red meat of the last two decades, there's no reason in principle why a savvy pol -- particularly a savvy pol of color -- couldn't merge the two in a reunification of liberalism's two great 20th century strands.
              It wasnt his policies, it was that he couldnt fund his policies and he just wasnt likeable to a large portion of the base. I love him but I am not a young black male.
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              • #127
                Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers: Boogaloo

                Originally posted by Handyman View Post
                It wasnt his policies, it was that he couldnt fund his policies and he just wasnt likeable to a large portion of the base. I love him but I am not a young black male.
                We can fund the transition to universal free health care and education by halving the military budget, restoring the progressive taxation of the New Deal, and clawing back everything the Plutes have stolen since 1980.

                We can maintain that forever because the restoration of the Middle Class and giving everyone genuine equal opportunity unleashes the maximum productive force of the market. The power and freedom to create that our grandchildren will have in a post-coercion economy will be greater than ours by the same factor that a Capitalist economy was more productive than Feudalism.
                Last edited by Kepler; 04-08-2018, 08:07 AM.
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                • #128
                  Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers: Boogaloo

                  Originally posted by 5mn_Major View Post
                  The broader point...I believe...is that we need all hands on deck. We lost by tens of thousands of votes in a number of places.
                  Certainly. These arguments are bear cubs from the same mother practicing and sharpening their claws. I'm fighting Rover in fun to build both our muscles. Soon enough we'll be fighting on the same side and using those claws for real against the true threat. That will not be in fun.

                  Every one of us has to do what he or she can this year to put as many of these fat fascist f-cks out of work as possible. Congress sure but also state and local. The only good Republican is an ex-incumbent.
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                  • #129
                    Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers: Boogaloo

                    Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                    I'm fighting Rover in fun to build both our muscles.
                    Its the reason we're all here.
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                    • #130
                      Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers: Boogaloo

                      "If, in a year from now, if we're ready, and nobody has moved in that I think can do it, then I may very well do it."

                      - Joe Biden
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                      • #131
                        Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                        That is the first intelligent criticism of my argument I've seen on this thread. Thank you.

                        It's a very good point. I can't explain it, which I'm sure is part of the problem. There is absolutely no reason why economic liberalism shouldn't resonate with non-whites. Even if one argues that it is a competing narrative with the identity red meat of the last two decades, there's no reason in principle why a savvy pol -- particularly a savvy pol of color -- couldn't merge the two in a reunification of liberalism's two great 20th century strands.
                        Dem primary turnout tends to skew older, and the baby boomer generation is still scared of the Cold War and socialism. It wasn’t an issue with black voters as much as it was an issue with older voters in every racial demographic.
                        Last edited by trixR4kids; 04-09-2018, 01:07 AM.

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                        • #132
                          Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers: Boogaloo

                          Originally posted by trixR4kids View Post
                          Dem primary turnout tends to skew older, and the baby boomer generation is still scared of the Cold War and socialism. It wasn’t an issue with black voters as much as it was an issue with older voters in every racial demographic.
                          Except Bernie held his own with White voters. He absolutely got destroyed on the African-American vote. Either they all voted against him, or he couldn't bring out younger Blacks in the same proportion as younger Whites. Either way, that's on him.

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                          • #133
                            Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers: Boogaloo

                            Originally posted by unofan View Post
                            Except Bernie held his own with White voters. He absolutely got destroyed on the African-American vote. Either they all voted against him, or he couldn't bring out younger Blacks in the same proportion as younger Whites. Either way, that's on him.
                            I hope it's on him. If it's the content of economic liberalism then there is a disconnect.
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                            • #134
                              Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers: Boogaloo

                              Originally posted by 5mn_Major View Post
                              "If, in a year from now, if we're ready, and nobody has moved in that I think can do it, then I may very well do it."

                              - Joe Biden
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                              • #135
                                Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers: Boogaloo

                                Originally posted by joecct View Post
                                Hey Rover

                                Would you agree that the D side is also driven by fear and hate of all things !D?
                                Not enough for my tastes! The problem with Dem voters is that they're always trying to find the mythical moderate Republican that they can latch onto. They thought they'd found that years ago with McCain and his "maverick" image, but he sold out to Bush II even after Dubya started a whispering campaign that McCain was nuts and actually fathered his adopted Asian daughter out of wedlock. Then they latched on to Susan Collins who voted to confirm Gorsuch and voted for recent tax theft. Some day they may realize that the GOP, all of them, are a treasonous money laundering cult. Not sure we're there yet even with Chump as Prez.
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