2020 Democratic Challengers: Boogaloo

[Kepler]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers: Boogaloo

It's funny that despite our many differences we really only hate the same two candidates.

My own categorizations:

CA Garcetti -- small fry, there are always some like this
CA Harris -- serious
CA Newsom -- serious
CA Steyer-- rich man's vanity candidacy
CA Swalwell -- media candidacy
CO Hickenlooper -- small fry
CT Murphy -- media
DC Holder -- serious though I doubt he'll run
DE Biden -- serous albeit ancient
HI Gabbard -- ridiculous candidacy
MA Moulton -- small fry
MA Patrick -- small fry
MA Warren -- serious
MD Delaney -- vanity
MN Klobuchar -- serious
NJ Booker -- serious
NY Bloomberg -- vanity
NY Cuomo -- not running
NY de Blasio -- small fry
NY Gillibrand -- serious
OH Brown -- serious
TX Castro -- media
TX O'Rourke -- media and yet serious, like Obama
VA Kaine -- establishment inertia candidacy
VA McAuliffe -- inertia
VT Sanders -- media

[mookie1995]

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good lord, tD is going to win a 2nd term

CA Garcetti
CA Harris
CA Newsom
CA Steyer
CA Swalwell
CO Hickenlooper
CT Murphy
DC Holder
DE Biden
HI Gabbard
MA Moulton
MA Patrick
MA Warren
MD Delaney
MN Klobuchar
NJ Booker
NY Bloomberg
NY Cuomo
NY de Blasio
NY Gillibrand
OH Brown
TX Castro
TX O'Rourke
VA Kaine
VA McAuliffe
VT Sanders

countdown to the "draft hilly" campaign....

[Swansong]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers: Boogaloo

That's a good rundown, I think I mostly agree with your (Kepler) assessments. But yikes. That doesn't give me a warm and fuzzy feeling that Trump will be a one-termer. Again, I'm ever the pessimist with politics. But even among the serious candidates there...

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

She doesn't seem to have been able to put the "shamelessly opportunistic" label behind her rightly or wrongly. Frankly I don't know a lot about her but I seem to recall she had a reputation as a bit of a moderate, safe pick from an update NY seat when she was appointed Senator. In fact I recall GOP Rep King declining to run for the Senate seat and saying that Gillenbrand doesn't inspire enough love or hate for him to be able to raise enough money off of to make it a competitive contest.

I recall reading that she’s lost some support from big name donors due to how she treated franken. I hope that continues for her

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

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I want to see Holder run just to witness the collective right-wing aneurysm.

[Rover]

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I like the field. If you put the serious people up on stage together (Warren, Gillenbrand, Sanders, Brown, Harris, Biden, Klobacher, Booker, O'Rourke) that's a great debate that encompasses the entirety of the Dem coalition.

Way too early to talk about who will and won't beat Trump as aside from Biden and Sanders no one else has a national profile from a previous run. Lets see who catches fire and the imagination of Dems.

[Kepler]

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I want to see Holder run just to witness the collective right-wing aneurysm.

Obama was our smartest president since Madison and Holder makes Obama look like an undergraduate. Holder, Warren, Klobuchar, and Harris debating would be like listening to a moot court at Harvard. But that could be a problem. The dummies really, really do not like smart people, and there are a sh-t ton of them.

[mookie1995]

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Smart people are wasting their intellect in politics.

Unless of course you are a supreme ruler, and can dictate policy.

[Kepler]

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Smart people are wasting their intellect in politics.

Unless of course you are a supreme ruler, and can dictate policy.

Where have you gone, Marcus Aurelius? Our nation turns its lonely eyes to you.

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers: Boogaloo

Obama was our smartest president since Madison and Holder makes Obama look like an undergraduate. Holder, Warren, Klobuchar, and Harris debating would be like listening to a moot court at Harvard. But that could be a problem.

That's always a problem for the left. "Actually, according to Hegel, the for-itself can only be actualized through the in-itself. So the individuation of the subject necessarily demands the transcendence of the..."

[The Sicatoka]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers: Boogaloo

... Klobuchar over her any day of the week.

She doesn't have "governor" on her resume, but she's my choice of the three you mention.

[The Sicatoka]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers: Boogaloo

Obama was our smartest president since Madison and Holder makes Obama look like an undergraduate. Holder, Warren, Klobuchar, and Harris debating would be like listening to a moot court at Harvard. But that could be a problem. The dummies really, really do not like smart people, and there are a sh-t ton of them.

There's one more problem:
Too many smart people do not grasp the concept of "know the audience" and say dumb (i.e. condescending) things at the worst times.

Case study: " ... basket of deplorables ... " She wasn't wrong. There's that deplorable fringe out there. But to cast it out for wide consumption made it a rallying cry for those wrongly tossed in the same basket.

[5mn_Major]

Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers: Boogaloo

There's one more problem:
Too many smart people do not grasp the concept of "know the audience" and say dumb (i.e. condescending) things at the worst times.

Case study: " ... basket of deplorables ... " She wasn't wrong. There's that deplorable fringe out there. But to cast it out for wide consumption made it a rallying cry for those wrongly tossed in the same basket.

Tribalism. The appearance to some of being 'strong'. That's strong enough to say anything and making it not matter. Of course, that's terrible for both leadership and governance.

[WeAreNDHockey]

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As someone posted, Sherrod Brown's bona fides are unquestionable. If he was the nominee I'd gladly vote for him and I wish the country was in a place where someone like Sherrod Brown would be electable as president. But having said that, he ain't got a chance.

I think he's low energy. He was on some short lists for VP in 2016 but folks realized he was much more valuable as a senator because had he left the senate (remember this was when most assumed the presidency was already Clinton's) he would be replaced by a republican appointee for the short term and his seat would likely be republican for the foreseeable future in Ohio, which make no mistake, is the reddest of red states outside those in the south or the white supremacist enclave of Idaho. But I also think the decision was made for other reasons. The fact is he won Ohio in part based on the power of his incumbency, moreso than a lot of other candidates who won re-election.

His win -- not that it matters a lot now because he did win -- was by a much smaller margin than almost all the polls showed. he also benefitted from the lack of willingness for the republican party to do much of anything to aid Renacci.

Of course with a real democratic machine behind him, and not the tattered remnants of the one masquerading as a political party in Ohio, maybe he'd have a chance were he to wake up long enough to win the nomination. On the eve of election day though, one of the people canvassing on my watch knocked on his door. He answered in a bathrobe. he wasn't campaigning for himself or other democrats. That's why I think he's a bit low energy.

[Kepler]

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That's always a problem for the left. "Actually, according to Hegel, the for-itself can only be actualized through the in-itself. So the individuation of the subject necessarily demands the transcendence of the..."

Certainly. Science sufficiently advanced is indistinguishable from magic and learning sufficiently advanced is indistinguishable from bullsh-t. Especially when translated from German.

I don't blame the cattle for distrusting Hegel. I distrust him myself. Kant is even harder. But the mistake the dummies make is that something above them is meaningless. They mistake their personal limits for the limits of reason. Sometimes, a treatise is nonsense (cough, Heidegger) but sometimes the listener is just too short to reach the adults table.