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  • Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers: Boogaloo

    Just about anyone can beat Trump, I'm more interested in doing that and seeing whoever wins actually deliver something of substance to the working class for once.

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      Yeah...

      Originally posted by Bernie Bros in 2016 View Post
      Just about anyone can beat Trump, I'm more interested in doing that and seeing whoever wins actually deliver something of substance to the working class for once.
      Go Gophers!

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      • Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers: Boogaloo

        Instinctively people thought Hillary had the better chance despite all polling evidence that suggested otherwise but we'll ignore that because it doesn't support MY Tim Walz narrative in which the candidate who had like 100x as much money won...

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        • Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers: Boogaloo

          A few points:

          1) While I've been guilty of this myself, we need to put aside the notion that either Hillary was a historically bad candidate or Bernie Bros all voted Chump to put him over the top. As time has now shown, the primary reason for Trump's election was an unprecedented effort by Russia to put him in the WH through legal and illegal means. I'll let Bob Mueller sort out what Chump did and didn't know, but with the scope of the Russian effort now known that's why he won and she lost. Every time he did something stupid that would normally bury a candidate, Russia would turn around and leak some BS damaging to Clinton that the sheep like media would run with. Had Bernie, Martin O'Malley, or Lincoln freakin' Chafee been the nominee, Russia would have done the same thing.

          2) I'm somewhat skeptical of this latest GOP/Putin effort for several reasons but the most prominent being that there's like 20 people running for President. Which one do you choose to boost over the others? Its not like the either or contest of Hillary vs Bernie.

          3) Lastly, aside from Joe Biden, who exactly is the "moderate" amongst the people running for Prez? Sherrod Brown? Klobacher? Booker? Really?
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          • Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers: Boogaloo

            Meh, the voter suppression done by Republicans had a far greater effect than anything Russia did. And she was a historically bad candidate.

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            • Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers: Boogaloo

              Originally posted by trixR4kids View Post
              Meh, the voter suppression done by Republicans had a far greater effect than anything Russia did. And she was a historically bad candidate.
              Hardly.

              John Kerry
              Al Gore
              Michael Dukakis
              Walter Mondale
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              Originally Posted by dropthatpuck-Scooby's a lost cause.
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                Which of them lost to Donald Trump?

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                  Originally posted by trixR4kids View Post
                  Which of them lost to Donald Trump?
                  John Kerry, Michael Dukakis, and Al Gore all lost to candidates with less Charisma than Donald Trump. Your narrative is wrong.
                  **NOTE: The misleading post above was brought to you by Reynold's Wrap and American Steeples, makers of Crosses.

                  Originally Posted by dropthatpuck-Scooby's a lost cause.
                  Originally Posted by First Time, Long Time-Always knew you were nothing but a troll.

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                  • Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers: Boogaloo

                    Originally posted by trixR4kids View Post
                    Meh, the voter suppression done by Republicans had a far greater effect than anything Russia did. And she was a historically bad candidate.
                    Yeah, sorry but I don't buy that. Goopers were suppressing votes 2012 too and it didn't help. The sophistication of the Russian effort was far more high level than anything the dunderheads in the GOP could have come up with. Particularly the social media part. If you don't think they wouldn't have done the same thing to Sanders you're out of your mind. Especially with all the sexual harassment beefs with his campaign in 2016 that are now coming out. Russia would have hacked those e-mails and sent that to Wikileaks all during Oct-Nov.

                    https://www.politico.com/story/2019/...havior-1093836
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                    • Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers: Boogaloo

                      Lmao, none of the candidates Scooby mentioned lost to someone as blatantly moronic, (provably) racist, childish, and had as many previous scandals as the current president. Losing to him is far worse than losing to W or HW it's not even close and I say that as someone who recognizes that W was one of the worst presidents of all time.

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                      • Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers: Boogaloo

                        Originally posted by trixR4kids View Post
                        Lmao, none of the candidates Scooby mentioned lost to someone as blatantly moronic, (provably) racist, childish, and had as many previous scandals as the current president. Losing to him is far worse than losing to W or HW it's not even close and I say that as someone who recognizes that W was one of the worst presidents of all time.
                        You say that as if those traits were seen as negatives. That is what got people excited and to the polls.

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                        • Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers: Boogaloo

                          Originally posted by Rover View Post
                          A few points:

                          1) While I've been guilty of this myself, we need to put aside the notion that either Hillary was a historically bad candidate or Bernie Bros all voted Chump to put him over the top. As time has now shown, the primary reason for Trump's election was an unprecedented effort by Russia to put him in the WH through legal and illegal means. I'll let Bob Mueller sort out what Chump did and didn't know, but with the scope of the Russian effort now known that's why he won and she lost. Every time he did something stupid that would normally bury a candidate, Russia would turn around and leak some BS damaging to Clinton that the sheep like media would run with. Had Bernie, Martin O'Malley, or Lincoln freakin' Chafee been the nominee, Russia would have done the same thing.

                          2) I'm somewhat skeptical of this latest GOP/Putin effort for several reasons but the most prominent being that there's like 20 people running for President. Which one do you choose to boost over the others? Its not like the either or contest of Hillary vs Bernie.

                          3) Lastly, aside from Joe Biden, who exactly is the "moderate" amongst the people running for Prez? Sherrod Brown? Klobacher? Booker? Really?
                          The stated GOP approach is to make Beto look like he loves oil and is a borderline racist to the left so he gets primaried out - leaving us with a field of left wing candidates any one of which are easy to position as 'socialists'. Ready the trolls.

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                          • Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers: Boogaloo

                            Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
                            John Kerry, Michael Dukakis, and Al Gore all lost to candidates with less Charisma than Donald Trump. Your narrative is wrong.
                            All W really had to separate himself from Gore *was* his folksy charisma. Gore was the android in 2000.
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                            • Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers: Boogaloo

                              Originally posted by Rover View Post
                              Yeah, sorry but I don't buy that. Goopers were suppressing votes 2012 too and it didn't help.
                              Yeah... Barack also had more appeal than Hillary (especially among black voters) and Romney was basically just another establishment/RINO type that didn't exactly excite the base nearly as much as Trump. Not to mention NC was blue up until 2012 and Wisconsin's voter ID law wasn't yet in effect (was blocked by the courts). Losing those two states basically lost the election.
                              The sophistication of the Russian effort was far more high level than anything the dunderheads in the GOP could have come up with.
                              Not really, they just kinda put her baggage out there for the world to see and she had a ton of it.

                              Originally posted by jerphisch View Post
                              You say that as if those traits were seen as negatives. That is what got people excited and to the polls.
                              The racism sure, that certainly motivated the 35% built in base he currently has.
                              Last edited by trixR4kids; 01-10-2019, 11:35 AM.

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                              • Re: 2020 Democratic Challengers: Boogaloo

                                Originally posted by 5mn_Major View Post
                                Before it was discussed how Beto and Bernie might compete for votes...even though they are seemingly dissimilar. Well the strategy of using the far left to defeat Beto is the new GOP strategy.

                                THE G.O.P.’S PLAN TO TAKE DOWN BETO: UNLEASH THE BERNIE BROS

                                https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019...s-progressives

                                Frankly, the best strategy to take down Trump is Minnesota's Tim Walz approach. In Minnesota's governor primary process, the outstate D moderate Walz was favored over more liberal Twin Cities candidates - even in the cities - because instinctively they knew he would be better at taking down the GOP. The plan worked like a charm...and Walz sailed to victory.

                                In the presidential election, we need to do the same by putting up a moderate candidate. That's why the GOP is trying to stop moderates like Beto and help Bernie. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised to see Russian trolls start to support Bernie and attack Beto.
                                Agreed. In my opinion what they are most interested in doing is sowing discord; right now they have the left vs center division to exploit. And we're willing to fall for it -- at Kos that sort of trolling inevitable results in rhetorical bloodshed even though there are plenty of voices there explaining that this is obviously bots and Republicans acting as agents provocateur.

                                I expect them to also play this game with: female vs male candidates, white vs POC candidates, black vs brown candidates. Dump and the GOP are such a sh-tshow they need to foment civil disorder on the D side to have any chance. We have to protect ourselves against their attacks. The best protection is education: we must bear in mind that American conservatism is so intellectually and morally bankrupt that they can only sabotage our side.
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