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  • Re: Regional Rankings

    Originally posted by Fishman'81 View Post
    Again, if there's going to be AQ's awarded -and yes there are-** let's go with the RS champs (a la FCS football) for the sake of evaluating much more data, then eliminate Pool B and award the 5 AL's on the basis of a statistically credible metric. I could live with that.
    **The individual conference may do such if it is their preference !


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    • Re: Regional Rankings

      Originally posted by Fishman'81 View Post
      Again, if there's going to be AQ's awarded -and yes there are- let's go with the RS champs (a la FCS football) for the sake of evaluating much more data, then eliminate Pool B and award the 5 AL's on the basis of a statistically credible metric. I could live with that.
      Pool B is intended to give the teams that don't have an AQ the same opportunity as teams with a qualifying Conference. The number of Pool B bids is determined by using the same ratio as there are Pool A bids to schools. Total the number of Schools in Qualifying Conferences divide by the the number of Pool A bids. That number is called the access ratio, and that ratio determines the number of Pool B schools it takes for a pool B slot. Right now there are 65 teams in 7 Pool A conferences. That means the access ratio is 65:7 = 9.28:1. There is one Pool B slot available for every 9.28 MIAC, UCHC, and Independent teams. Since there. are 9 + 5 + 2 = 16 such teams, there is one Pool B slot (The NCAA usually truncates rather than rounds for these calculations , as 16/9.28 = 1.72.

      When the UCHC gets its Pool A status, the access ratio will be 74:8 = 9.25, and since there will only be 7 Pool B schools, the Pool B bid will go away.
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      • Re: Regional Rankings

        Originally posted by NUProf View Post
        Pool B is intended to give the teams that don't have an AQ the same opportunity as teams with a qualifying Conference. The number of Pool B bids is determined by using the same ratio as there are Pool A bids to schools. Total the number of Schools in Qualifying Conferences divide by the the number of Pool A bids. That number is called the access ratio, and that ratio determines the number of Pool B schools it takes for a pool B slot. Right now there are 65 teams in 7 Pool A conferences. That means the access ratio is 65:7 = 9.28:1. There is one Pool B slot available for every 9.28 MIAC, UCHC, and Independent teams. Since there. are 9 + 5 + 2 = 16 such teams, there is one Pool B slot (The NCAA usually truncates rather than rounds for these calculations , as 16/9.28 = 1.72.

        When the UCHC gets its Pool A status, the access ratio will be 74:8 = 9.25, and since there will only be 7 Pool B schools, the Pool B bid will go away.
        Rings a bell, thanks.

        I'm guessing that the upcoming elimination of Pool B will have close to zero effect on the field's selection, since, in a typical year, the Pool B selection would seem very likely to garner a Pool C, regardless.

        (I do like the fact that Pool B's elimination kinda streamlines the process.)
        Last edited by Fishman'81; 02-25-2018, 04:46 PM.

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        • Re: Regional Rankings

          Originally posted by nuprof View Post
          pool b is intended to give the teams that don't have an aq the same opportunity as teams with a qualifying conference. The number of pool b bids is determined by using the same ratio as there are pool a bids to schools. Total the number of schools in qualifying conferences divide by the the number of pool a bids. That number is called the access ratio, and that ratio determines the number of pool b schools it takes for a pool b slot. Right now there are 65 teams in 7 pool a conferences. That means the access ratio is 65:7 = 9.28:1. There is one pool b slot available for every 9.28 miac, uchc, and independent teams. Since there. Are 9 + 5 + 2 = 16 such teams, there is one pool b slot (the ncaa usually truncates rather than rounds for these calculations , as 16/9.28 = 1.72.

          When the uchc gets its pool a status, the access ratio will be 74:8 = 9.25, and since there will only be 7 pool b schools, the pool b bid will go away.
          wiac?
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          • Re: Regional Rankings

            Originally posted by GB Puck Fan View Post
            wiac?
            If there was no Pool B this year, Point would easily get in via Pool C anyway, IMO... I don't think Pool B will be missed in any meaningful way going forward.

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            • Re: Regional Rankings

              Originally posted by GB Puck Fan View Post
              wiac?
              WIAC has 5 teams, the post UCHC pool B eligible teams are the 5 WIAC teams and 2 independents. They fall automatically into Pool C
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              • Re: Regional Rankings

                Originally posted by NUProf View Post
                WIAC has 5 teams, the post UCHC pool B eligible teams are the 5 WIAC teams and 2 independents. They fall automatically into Pool C
                Pretty sure that's what I said...Point would get a Pool C in any case, this year.

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                • Re: Regional Rankings

                  Originally posted by Fishman'81 View Post
                  Pretty sure that's what I said...Point would get a Pool C in any case, this year.
                  (for once) not disagreeing with you, but clarifying for the person who posted "wiac?"
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                  • Re: Regional Rankings

                    my point was in the post was reference to the MIAC, UCHC and independent teams competing for Pool B.

                    IIRC, MIAC has an AQ. And perhaps that was supposed to be a WIAC reference
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                    • Re: Regional Rankings

                      Originally posted by GB Puck Fan View Post
                      my point was in the post was reference to the MIAC, UCHC and independent teams competing for Pool B.

                      IIRC, MIAC has an AQ. And perhaps that was supposed to be a WIAC reference
                      Imagine every single team, irrespective of any conference affiliation, competing via a statistically-valid continuum... Is that really completely impossible? (Of course it isn't! This cluster-fu3k D-3 chooses to embrace is of its own making.)

                      And, the field wouldn't be much different in that Utopian scenario than it would be anyway, via the current process... But, no team would feel "screwed", because the metics would be transparent and defensible. (And, in most years, most every conference would get a representative in, just the same.)

                      So, why not?
                      Last edited by Fishman'81; 02-25-2018, 08:09 PM.

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                      • Re: Regional Rankings

                        Originally posted by Fishman'81 View Post
                        Imagine every single team, irrespective of any conference affiliation, competing via a statistically-valid continuum... Is that really completely impossible? (Of course it isn't! This cluster-fu3k D-3 chooses to embrace is of its own making.)

                        And, the field wouldn't be much different in that Utopian scenario than it would be anyway, via the current process... But, no team would feel "screwed", because the metics would be transparent and defensible.

                        So, why not?
                        OK, once again - this IS NOT a D3 hockey thing. (Unless I am missing your point somewhere.) All NCAA team sports but D1 football do this... Your (uphill) battle may be bigger than you think.
                        Last edited by GB Puck Fan; 02-25-2018, 08:10 PM.
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                        • Re: Regional Rankings

                          Originally posted by GB Puck Fan View Post
                          OK, once again - this IS NOT a D3 hockey thing. (Unless I am missing your point somewhere.) All NCAA team sports but D1 football do this... Your (uphill) battle may be bigger than you think.
                          D-1 hockey employs an objective measure to fill-out most of its field, for example, and even big-money D-1 hoops publicly cites the RPI when selecting AL's -of which there are many- and FCS football's process isn't anywhere as near as murky as D-3's hockey is... It's really doesn't amount to rocket-science, to make things more objective across the board in all college sports.

                          To argue against that progress smacks of some version of the old-boy-network/sports-gerrymandering mindset. Why anyone would resist the prospect of a more level playing-field is truly beyond me.

                          The better teams will still get in, FCS, not to worry, but no truly deserving team will be left-out for some mysterious "reason"
                          Last edited by Fishman'81; 02-25-2018, 09:04 PM.

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                          • Re: Regional Rankings

                            What is not obective (or objective enough) about these:

                            Win-lost percentage against Division III opponents (WIN)
                            Division III head-to-head results (H2H)
                            Results versus common Division III opponents (COP)
                            Results versus ranked Division III teams as established by the rankings at the time of selection. Conference postseason contests are included (RNK)
                            Division III strength of schedule (SOS)*
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                            NCHA playoff champs: 98-99, 03-05, 07-08, 10-14, 17-19, 24
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                            • Re: Regional Rankings

                              Originally posted by GB Puck Fan View Post
                              my point was in the post was reference to the MIAC, UCHC and independent teams competing for Pool B.

                              IIRC, MIAC has an AQ. And perhaps that was supposed to be a WIAC reference
                              Typo
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                              • Re: Regional Rankings

                                Originally posted by NUProf View Post
                                Typo
                                ah. makes sense. I confuse easily sometimes!
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