Plymouth (or any number of other teams with a poor SOS numbers) could be undefeated, but, without an available AQ, it could lose enough "primary criteria" comparisons to be out of the NCAA's just the same. (Yes, they'd certainly get-in anyway, relying on the committee to employ the fungible "secondary criteria", which basically illustrates that both sets of criteria are smoke-screens, and the committee can do exactly as it pleases... Ergo, we all are invited to smile and nod in blind accordance, a la The Emperor's New Clothes.
I know I rant far too often about on this topic. I bore myself more often than I do any of you in that respect, believe you me. But it's truly silly to endorse a "system" that owes no one any accountability... I'm not a "smile and nod" type of guy.
There's just so many better ways to select the field, and I'm convinced that it could happen without D-3 being required to move any serious mountains.
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Matt Webb's Bracketology Second Edition::
Five Time National Champions: 2008, 2011, 2012, 2014. 2018....
NCHA Champions: 1997, 1998, 1999, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2014, 2016, 2017. 2018...
O'Brien Cup Champions: 2013.
Have the Prezidential Three (Elmira, Oswego, Norwich) all missed the NCAAs in the same year?
Geneseo needs to win the AQ to make the tournament. I'm skeptical they will get a Pool C due to their winning percentage against ranked teams.
This Saturday in the SUNYAC semifinal will be the third time they've played Buff State this year and they are 1-0-1 against them this season. Buff State is the #10 ranked and last team ranked in the East, and there is a good chance a loss will make them unranked in the next rankings. A team is only considered ranked if they are ranked in either of the two final rankings.
Geneseo's current winning percentage against ranked teams (from D3 Hockey Bracketology): .400 (1-2-2)
RNK if Geneseo wins and Buff State becomes unranked: .000 (0-2-1)
RNK if Geneseo wins and Buff State stays ranked: .500 (2-2-2)
RNK if Geneseo loses and Buff State stays ranked: .333 (1-3-2)
Obviously Geneseo must win Saturday because the AQ is the only sure way to get in, but their case without Buff State being ranked is really really slim. I guess a best case for Geneseo getting a Pool C is Buff State loses Saturday but manages to stay ranked due to higher ranked teams losing as well. Then Geneseo could possibly absorb another ranked loss to Oswego and get in, but only if the conference tournaments are chalk.
So basically, win the AQ and make all of this moot
He cites UC's lousy SOS as a reason it's on the bubble -as well he should- but the irony of that situation is inescapable.
The "old" ECAC-W was generally the strongest conference in D-3 from top to bottom in recent years. But, in order to garner an AQ, it added (arguably) warm bodies in Chatham and King's, which went an astoundingly dismal 2-45 this year, combined... And even worse, perennial-power Hobart defected, apparently as a result of the increased travel issues the dubious "additions" imposed.
So what we have now is a far-flung conference that's waaaay weaker, yet somehow now worthy of an Auto-Bid (next year) without any logical basis to support that mandate..?
Go figger, but it's another example of why AQ's possess no intrinsic validity at all.
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BTW - Your insistent and incessant obsessing on the AQ debacle has me a bit worried;<) Hope to meet you in Placid if you decide to make the (short) trip.
Anyway, Placid is about 3 1/2 hours on rural roads from Utica, but we'll be there should UC find a way... And there's a good local craft for you -on me- if such a thing happens.
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But, the NCAA doesn't want the best teams in the nation, they want to spread around the recognition and host a tournament of champions. It's their game and their call, but I'd personally prefer the 12 best teams.
Secondly, while I semi agree that the ECAC NE was an "unworthy" conference to receive a bid, let's play devils advocate here. If I told you 10-15 years ago Lebanon Valley would finish tied for 2nd in the defunct ECAC West, UNE would be a top 5 Team in the NATION, Endicott is playing hockey, and Salve Regina is more than just a funny name to say, you would have laughed yourself to the ground. Those same ECAC NE teams/Conferences that you carried on about 10-15 years ago are now some of the best teams in DIII. If you don't think having that auto bid was a MAJOR factor in that,.......
Now before some get all upset and in an uproar, it takes MORE than having an auto bid to make a competitive team. The school has to WANT to do it. So no, the auto bid isn't the ONLY reason these teams went from the laughing stock to a competitive contender, but it has a major roll IMO. I was actually right there with you years ago as I fell DIII doesn't have the numbers to support so many weak AQ's. If every conference was like our "Power 5's" then yes. DIII has too many "weak sisters" who just putting a team on ice is an accomplishment.
The fact of the matter is, complaining on a message board and thinking your opinion matters to the NCAA gets you no where (not you in particular elbojpb). The NCAA will not change their rules for sports because hockey is "different". I'd love to see a 16 team field, AQ's and Pool C bids, 40 game seasons, 3 game series, and more cross over games. But I've come to the reality you will not change the NCAA. The coaches don't care/want it. The AD's don't care/want it. So why should we think just because we want it, we will get it? The process, while not perfect, is nearly predictable these days. There is a reason why people like Webb and Ray pretty much nail the teams every year lately. When you understand the process, accept the process, and live with the process, its not hard to see. Instead, some people would rather ***** and complain and cause more confusion when it's pretty simple to see who is in, why, and who is out, and why.
Sorry, end of rant. Cheers.
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