POTUS 45:27 - Whites and Pink Starbursts Inquire Within

[FlagDUDE08]

Re: POTUS 45:27 - Whites and Pink Starbursts Inquire Within

The issue for me isn't setting up a new system which is putting the cart before the horse. Its how do we deal with the 10-12M people already here. The answer to that question drives how we handle immigrants going forward.

So, for example, if you have a seasonal work visa for agricultural workers in place for those already here working the fields, that would dictate how you treat anybody else coming over. Instead of sneaking across the border they could apply for legal (temporary) status. I have to imagine that would encompass a significant portion of current illegals.

DACA is a somewhat separate issue in that its a set population that we're talking about (IIRC had to be here by 2007 and be under 18, so oldest DACA people are under 30 at this point). Even if you expanded that to people brought here pre-Trump, or up to when Obama extended protections (2012), its less than 2M of the 12M total.

Beyond that, again on a high level, how the country decides to handle older non-DREAMER illegals who've been here a while will determine a lot. If its a matter of having an employer sponsor you or being enrolled in college or having a college degree that gives a clearer sense of the requirements to be in status.

Who's sh !t out of luck in my opinion are people working for themselves as cleaners or construction for example. If you're working for cash on your own, there's going to be nobody to sponsor you. I'd also say that anybody with any sort of criminal record such as a DUI for example will most likely never find a way to be in status.

I don't know if the self-employed should be considered totally *OL, especially if they can show sales and/or contracts. Nothing wrong with a family business whatsoever. If the government has to judge that through tax revenues, that's their prerogative to do, and I'd be cool with that. If they've previously been doing it under the table, and there's a pledge and positive action to actually become taxpayers, even if they file by quarter for the first year or two to get the stream going (whether you want to repatriate is something that could be debated), America is going to benefit by their positive contribution to society, and they will benefit by being on the trail to becoming citizens of a place they presently call "home".

I do think, though, that we have to draw the line in the sand at some point and "stem the tide" of further piling on the issue. It's not really horse before the cart so much as two separate problems that have effects.

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: POTUS 45:27 - Whites and Pink Starbursts Inquire Within

The issue for me isn't setting up a new system which is putting the cart before the horse. Its how do we deal with the 10-12M people already here. The answer to that question drives how we handle immigrants going forward.

So, for example, if you have a seasonal work visa for agricultural workers in place for those already here working the fields, that would dictate how you treat anybody else coming over. Instead of sneaking across the border they could apply for legal (temporary) status. I have to imagine that would encompass a significant portion of current illegals.

DACA is a somewhat separate issue in that its a set population that we're talking about (IIRC had to be here by 2007 and be under 18, so oldest DACA people are under 30 at this point). Even if you expanded that to people brought here pre-Trump, or up to when Obama extended protections (2012), its less than 2M of the 12M total.

Beyond that, again on a high level, how the country decides to handle older non-DREAMER illegals who've been here a while will determine a lot. If its a matter of having an employer sponsor you or being enrolled in college or having a college degree that gives a clearer sense of the requirements to be in status.

Who's sh !t out of luck in my opinion are people working for themselves as cleaners or construction for example. If you're working for cash on your own, there's going to be nobody to sponsor you. I'd also say that anybody with any sort of criminal record such as a DUI for example will most likely never find a way to be in status.

There is no prioritization. There was under Obama. No longer. Watch the video I posted. The GOP won't deal with who's here until they lock down the borders. Which is backwards. You can't lock down the borders. Your system should be entirely about dealing with whose here and who's coming in. It's called problem solving.

[rufus]

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The nutjob truly runs deep.

https://www.mediamatters.org/video/2...-w-bush/219148

If there were even the slightest bit of credence to this, ol' Viagra Rush would have been spouting off about it 15 years ago. That he wasn't tells you all you need to know about how factual this story is.

That he has no qualms about spouting off this sort of wingnut conspiracy theory in this day and age of "alternate facts" and "fake news" tells you all you need to know about just how far we've fallen. And how gullible saps like flaggy will believe anything they're told, as long as it's a rightwinger telling them.

[rufus]

Re: POTUS 45:27 - Whites and Pink Starbursts Inquire Within

Actually, the memo's been released. At least a redacted form thereof, as some points weren't able to be declassified, but it does show that they're absolutely correct.

Really? Let's see it.

[FlagDUDE08]

Re: POTUS 45:27 - Whites and Pink Starbursts Inquire Within

Really? Let's see it.

Head to Infowars, they did an exclusive on it. With a scribd output and everything.

[rufus]

Re: POTUS 45:27 - Whites and Pink Starbursts Inquire Within

So Infowars has it? Must be legit then.

Were there any gay frogs in the memo? I mean, that's a conspiracy.

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: POTUS 45:27 - Whites and Pink Starbursts Inquire Within

Info Wars. That's real news. Not that CNN fake ****.

[FlagDUDE08]

Re: POTUS 45:27 - Whites and Pink Starbursts Inquire Within

So Infowars has it? Must be legit then.

Were there any gay frogs in the memo? I mean, that's a conspiracy.

What does Atrazine have to do with this?

I'm not posting the specific link for reasons I will choose not to disclose. You'll have to actually go there and look it up yourself. It won't hurt you.

[burd]

Head to Infowars, they did an exclusive on it. With a scribd output and everything.

Do I have to buy $40.00 worth of elixir to read it? That’s their gullibility screen, isn’t it? Or can I just sign a statement saying Sandy Hook never happened?

[FlagDUDE08]

Re: POTUS 45:27 - Whites and Pink Starbursts Inquire Within

Do I have to buy $40.00 worth of elixir to read it? That’s their gullibility screen, isn’t it? Or can I just sign a statement saying Sandy Hook never happened?

It's not behind a pay wall. You don't have to purchase a thing. You don't even have to sign any sort of a statement.

[rufus]

Re: POTUS 45:27 - Whites and Pink Starbursts Inquire Within

It's not behind a pay wall. You don't have to purchase a thing. You don't even have to sign any sort of a statement.

You do have to check your brain at the door, however.

[FlagDUDE08]

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You do have to check your brain at the door, however.

You don't have to do that, either. In fact, you might want to bring the part that handles critical thinking with you, because they might challenge the ideas that have been hammered into your mind.

[leswp1]

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I must be lucky. I have never paid a fee for checking or savings. If they proposed it I left the bank. Not because I couldn't meet the requirements but because of the principle of the thing.

You don't have to do that, either. In fact, you might want to bring the part that handles critical thinking with you, because they might challenge the ideas that have been hammered into your mind.

THis made me crack up. You bring the critical thinking part of you and of course they are going to challenge the ideas that have been hammered into your mind. Things like logic, credibility, science, integrity, morals, and a few more I am sure. Personally I would like to be challenged by something that starts out based in fact and then moves forward. If I want science fiction, fantasy or an alternate universe I go to the library and take out a good book.

[rufus]

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You don't have to do that, either. In fact, you might want to bring the part that handles critical thinking with you, because they might challenge the ideas that have been hammered into your mind.

Now that is just too frickin' funny. The brainwashed scolding others. Hilarious.

Don't step on any gay frogs.

[FlagDUDE08]

Re: POTUS 45:27 - Whites and Pink Starbursts Inquire Within

I must be lucky. I have never paid a fee for checking or savings. If they proposed it I left the bank. Not because I couldn't meet the requirements but because of the principle of the thing.
THis made me crack up. You bring the critical thinking part of you and of course they are going to challenge the ideas that have been hammered into your mind. Things like logic, credibility, science, integrity, morals, and a few more I am sure. Personally I would like to be challenged by something that starts out based in fact and then moves forward. If I want science fiction, fantasy or an alternate universe I go to the library and take out a good book.

Good idea to leave the banks that charge for that sort of thing. A bit tough to find a brick and mortar these days without it, though...

Perhaps you should start with research on the facts about Atrazine. Tyrone Hayes has does extensive studies about this, through UC Berkeley.