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  • Originally posted by Kepler View Post
    Again... kinda.

    1. Times have changed. Neither Putin nor Dump actually want a stable socialist or capitalist Venezuela. It is in both of their interests for it to be a failed state roiled with unrest, because that creates the type of violence and risk that strongmen use to tighten their grip on power.

    2. DOS, DOD and the intel agencies are still run by career pros who know what they are doing. The politicals you've heard of are morons, and perhaps borderline psychopathic (paging John Bolton), but they don't oversee day-to-day ops and they don't really know much beyond their Hoover/RAND BS theses. Add that this administration both reviles and is reviled by competent public servants, and you get a recipe for absolutely nothing being accomplished. You know that whole Deep State thingamabob that keeps Flaggy up at night? Those are the guys that a rogue rightwing faction within our government used to use to murder a foreign leader* and without them they are powerless.

    * or an American President
    I hear you and agree on much of what you’re saying. I haven’t fully caught up on my reading of the current state of the agency etc. but will do so soon
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    "but you're not as confused as him are you. it's not your job to be as confused as Nigel". Tap pt 1.

    "I think it's ****ing stock. What--? Which part of that is unclear to you? I think it sounds stock to my ears. I mean, do you want me to write it down?" Tap Pt. 2

    Who???! So What!!!! Big Deal!!!!

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    • Re: US Foreign Policy 2.0: Have you read Kipling, Mr. Tillerson?

      Originally posted by solovsfett View Post
      I hear you and agree on much of what you’re saying. I haven’t fully caught up on my reading of the current state of the agency etc. but will do so soon
      What source to you intend to use?

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      • Originally posted by burd View Post
        What source to you intend to use?
        Anyone not schilling for the agency. So James DiEugenio, Lisa Pease, James Douglass, John Newman, David Talbot etc. the people who have gone to national archives and dove in to released documents,, combed through the records of the agency and fought for release of docs via foia or other lawsuits etc.

        There are numerous books you can read about how the cia controls the media/narrative from their inception in 1947 forward. I can cite examples of you’d like.
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        "but you're not as confused as him are you. it's not your job to be as confused as Nigel". Tap pt 1.

        "I think it's ****ing stock. What--? Which part of that is unclear to you? I think it sounds stock to my ears. I mean, do you want me to write it down?" Tap Pt. 2

        Who???! So What!!!! Big Deal!!!!

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        • Re: US Foreign Policy 2.0: Have you read Kipling, Mr. Tillerson?

          Originally posted by solovsfett View Post
          Anyone not schilling for the agency. So James DiEugenio, Lisa Pease, James Douglass, John Newman, David Talbot etc. the people who have gone to national archives and dove in to released documents,, combed through the records of the agency and fought for release of docs via foia or other lawsuits etc.

          There are numerous books you can read about how the cia controls the media/narrative from their inception in 1947 forward. I can cite examples of you’d like.
          Books? Sure--a couple.

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          • Originally posted by burd View Post
            Books? Sure--a couple.
            Here are two very good books on this subject:

            Finks: How the CIA tricked the world’s best writers by Joel Whitney (great book)
            https://www.amazon.com/Finks-C-I-Tricked-Worlds-Writers/dp/1944869131

            https://www.amazon.com/Finks-C-I-Tricked-Worlds-Writers/dp/1944869131

            The Mighty Wurlitzer by Hugh Wilford (stunning book)
            https://www.amazon.com/Mighty-Wurlitzer-How-Played-America/dp/067403256X
            https://www.amazon.com/Mighty-Wurlitzer-How-Played-America/dp/067403256X
            Last edited by solovsfett; 03-17-2019, 01:57 PM.
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            "but you're not as confused as him are you. it's not your job to be as confused as Nigel". Tap pt 1.

            "I think it's ****ing stock. What--? Which part of that is unclear to you? I think it sounds stock to my ears. I mean, do you want me to write it down?" Tap Pt. 2

            Who???! So What!!!! Big Deal!!!!

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            • Re: US Foreign Policy 2.0: Have you read Kipling, Mr. Tillerson?

              And a third which is very good:

              https://www.amazon.com/CD-JACKSON-Jo.../dp/076185729X

              It really explains how we’ve arrived at our current state.
              Everything in its right place, Wisconsin Hockey National Champs!


              "but you're not as confused as him are you. it's not your job to be as confused as Nigel". Tap pt 1.

              "I think it's ****ing stock. What--? Which part of that is unclear to you? I think it sounds stock to my ears. I mean, do you want me to write it down?" Tap Pt. 2

              Who???! So What!!!! Big Deal!!!!

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              • Re: US Foreign Policy 2.0: Have you read Kipling, Mr. Tillerson?

                Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                I'm surprised Dump doesn't say, "Now, I don't condone terrorists but terrorists who are inspired by me really get the job done. I mean, 50 dead? That's pretty good."
                Oh I bet he said it just not in public
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                • Re: US Foreign Policy 2.0: Have you read Kipling, Mr. Tillerson?

                  Jared's mideast plan is for the PA to get land from Jordan, who then gets land from SA, who then gets land from Egypt. Yes, that's the same Jordan that kicked the PLO out in the 70s, so this will totally work.

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                  • Re: US Foreign Policy 2.0: Have you read Kipling, Mr. Tillerson?

                    Originally posted by French Rage View Post
                    Jared's mideast plan is for the PA to get land from Jordan, who then gets land from SA, who then gets land from Egypt. Yes, that's the same Jordan that kicked the PLO out in the 70s, so this will totally work.
                    Lets not forget put them in refugee camps and murdered them...

                    Jordanians were way worse to the Palestinians than the Israelis were.
                    "It's as if the Drumpf Administration is made up of the worst and unfunny parts of the Cleveland Browns, Washington Generals, and the alien Mon-Stars from Space Jam."
                    -aparch

                    "Scenes in "Empire Strikes Back" that take place on the tundra planet Hoth were shot on the present-day site of Ralph Engelstad Arena."
                    -INCH

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                    • Re: US Foreign Policy 2.0: Have you read Kipling, Mr. Tillerson?

                      Originally posted by Handyman View Post
                      Lets not forget put them in refugee camps and murdered them...

                      Jordanians were way worse to the Palestinians than the Israelis were.
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                      • Re: US Foreign Policy 2.0: Have you read Kipling, Mr. Tillerson?

                        My favorite part of the deal is that Israel doesn’t have to make a single concession. Because of course not.
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                        • Re: US Foreign Policy 2.0: Have you read Kipling, Mr. Tillerson?

                          On the 16th anniversary of the invasion of Iraq, Ari Fleischer takes to twitter to make the case that the Bush administration didn't lie to the public in the runup to that war.

                          Promptly gets his azz handed to him.

                          https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/f...into-war-fails
                          What kind of cheese are you planning to put on top?

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                          • Re: US Foreign Policy 2.0: Have you read Kipling, Mr. Tillerson?

                            Saw this a few days ago: Pompeo slaps visa restrictions on international court probing US military.

                            Which made me wonder why.

                            Oh.
                            Double oh.
                            Triple oh.
                            And this one is just opinion versus the other ones, but Oh x4.
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                            • Re: US Foreign Policy 2.0: Have you read Kipling, Mr. Tillerson?

                              Originally posted by aparch View Post
                              Saw this a few days ago: Pompeo slaps visa restrictions on international court probing US military.

                              Which made me wonder why.

                              Oh.
                              Double oh.
                              Triple oh.
                              And this one is just opinion versus the other ones, but Oh x4.
                              My only question was why were you wondering? We did the same BS decades ago when The Hague ruled Reagan's U.S. mining of Nicaraguan harbors was a crime against humanity. Our solution was to simply ignore the ruling. Force majeure, muthaf-cka. The US, at times, has (well, had) a decent human rights record internally, but internationally we're just another scumbag crime family and always have been.

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                              • Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                                My only question was why were you wondering? We did the same BS decades ago when The Hague ruled Reagan's U.S. mining of Nicaraguan harbors was a crime against humanity. ...
                                I was unaware of that incident. Thank you for the history lesson.

                                I dont recall much of the six and a half years of Reagan I grew up with.
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