US Foreign Policy 2.0: Have you read Kipling, Mr. Tillerson?

[Handyman]

Re: US Foreign Policy 2.0: Have you read Kipling, Mr. Tillerson?

Good God most 6th graders write better than him.

[5mn_Major]

Re: US Foreign Policy 2.0: Have you read Kipling, Mr. Tillerson?

Pat B on the Middle East and the War Party

https://buchanan.org/blog/how-the-wa...le-east-130897

Hack piece of journalism. Joe, can you disagree that this is total tripe?

Pat takes a questionable move on Trumps part (vacating the middle east), absolves him of any blame by tying that outcome to other presidents, up plays Obamas role (never mind BO inherited everything)...and then titles the article 'how the war party lost the middle east'.

1. Republicans have always been 100% to blame for the debacle in the middle east. Bush even said 'history will judge me'. Many Democrats refused to give him authorization. Pretty much all Republicans did.

2. In 2003, about 60% of liberals opposed invading Iraq. Only 27% of conservatives did. https://news.gallup.com/poll/7699/bl...-invasion.aspx

3. ISIS came from Iraq's chaos and American occupation of Muslim holy ground. What is Obama supposed to do? Allow for another OBL?

Pat Buchanan is given credit for some positive opinions on global policy. But he's as steeped in fake news as Anne Coulter.

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

Re: US Foreign Policy 2.0: Have you read Kipling, Mr. Tillerson?

Yes let’s go on about Obama, while barely mentioning who got us into this crap in the first place.

Joe should be ashamed for posting such a pile of crap

[joecct]

Yes let’s go on about Obama, while barely mentioning who got us into this crap in the first place.

Joe should be ashamed for posting such a pile of crap

So it is a bad idea to get out of a bad idea?

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

So it is a bad idea to get out of a bad idea?

What you posted was a biased, ill written piece of crap. I don’t take any of what he says seriously esp. based on how this piece is written.

And no you can’t just decide to pull out in two weeks and call it a day. That’s not how it should happen

[jerphisch]

Re: US Foreign Policy 2.0: Have you read Kipling, Mr. Tillerson?

What you posted was a biased, ill written piece of crap. I don’t take any of what he says seriously esp. based on how this piece is written.

And no you can’t just decide to pull out in two weeks and call it a day. That’s not how it should happen

Just pull out is joe's answer to all problems

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: US Foreign Policy 2.0: Have you read Kipling, Mr. Tillerson?

So it is a bad idea to get out of a bad idea?

What part of the pottery barn rule did the GOP not understand?

[St. Clown]

Re: US Foreign Policy 2.0: Have you read Kipling, Mr. Tillerson?

So it is a bad idea to get out of a bad idea?

At this point? Yes, it is. We can't stir up a ****storm, muddle around in it for a period of time, and then walk away to let the pieces fall where they may. We inserted ourselves and need to see it through to the end. We didn't do that in Vietnam, and it's quickly becoming our MO throughout the world. That's not what a leader's reputation should be - can be - if we want to continue holding on to our reputation as a world leader.

[5mn_Major]

Re: US Foreign Policy 2.0: Have you read Kipling, Mr. Tillerson?

So it is a bad idea to get out of a bad idea?

What does that have to do with the article? Its purpose was to absolve the president and GOP of all blame for the current mess and any of its outcome.

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

What does that have to do with the article? Its purpose was to absolve the president and GOP of all blame for the current mess and any of its outcome.

Ding ding ding

[rufus]

So it is a bad idea to get out of a bad idea?

Howd you feel when Obama followed the US-Iraqi agreed upon plan, negotiated by the Bush administration, to draw down our troops in Iraq, and be gone by a specific date?

Something tells me you were against it.

[rufus]

Just pull out is joe's answer to all problems

Doesn't work all that well.

[joecct]

Howd you feel when Obama followed the US-Iraqi agreed upon plan, negotiated by the Bush administration, to draw down our troops in Iraq, and be gone by a specific date?

Something tells me you were against it.

Nope. I've become more isolationist in my old age. And the adage of never getting involved in a land war in Asia is very true.

[5mn_Major]

Re: US Foreign Policy 2.0: Have you read Kipling, Mr. Tillerson?

Nope. I've become more isolationist in my old age. And the adage of never getting involved in a land war in Asia is very true.

There's nothing wrong with being a member of the global community. Much of our standard of living is based on it. On the other hand, we can have a backbone towards those that invade independent countries (Russia) while not invading independent countries for no reason ourselves (Iraq).

Along with the economy, conservatives are just pretty bad at this stuff.

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

Re: US Foreign Policy 2.0: Have you read Kipling, Mr. Tillerson?

Is Donald going to say anything about the American the Russians have captured and are holding? Officials think he was taken to exchange for Maria butina