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  • Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
    No, he's not. You can't get it done. Obama was in their 8 years and he essentially got nothing accomplished. Why? The Senate. What the Republicans do to get away with it is they lie about what they're going to do and then blame the Democrats. If you believe the Democrats should start lying, go ahead. But, what invariably happens is Bernie goes out and lies to everyone about what he can get done, and then if he got the nomination they'd destroy him on socialism.

    This is a Republican country. You either win by being better Republicans or you get your *** handed to you. The Dems have chosen the latter.
    It's a long game. A lot depends on Mayors and Governors that will support an honest census and get rid of gerrymandering. You're right only within 8-10 years but Dems should be prepping for year 11 right now.
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      Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
      Those ideas would have lost the election too.
      Doubtful

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        Originally posted by geezer View Post
        The blogger is exactly right. It seems to me that the only reason for the Dems fearfulness is that Repubs are angrier. That's not a good reason to concede arguments. It's lazy parenting.
        Watch the apologists come scurrying out now. It's as if they want to exemplify everything the author is saying.

        Democrats of my age and older got PTSD from Reagan, and many of them never recovered. They had their balls lopped off and they've spent forty years mewling about, justifying themselves and their full retreat from liberalism. The pundit class has gotten rich telling them what they want to hear. And they still occupy most of the power structure in the DNC and most state parties.

        But the young aren't buying any of their sh-t. There really is a revolt boiling up from below against the Clintons and McAuliffes and Kaines and, well, the Rovers. It was OK when they were winning elections but now they're telling everyone to tamp down all their ideals and their hopes... and for that they STILL LOSE! They are applying political lessons from a 1988 landscape to 2018, and they are hopelessly adrift and clueless.

        The future of the Democratic party is in a full-on, aggressive, take no prisoners reassertion of leftism, but in language and towards ends that resonate with people born after the Mike Dukakis tank video. The old who are suffocating the left don't just mislead with their cowardice, they also don't realize that the issues that motivated them are as irrelevant as bi-metalism, and their mindset is as dead as Hegelianism. Their. Day. Is. Over.

        My advice to the new generations is that those f-cks poisoning the Democratic party are never going to willingly step aside. They're self-absorbed and vain, but they also have great health care and they're gonna live forever. If you want the power, seize it.
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          Originally posted by geezer View Post
          Speak for yourself in your permanent defeatism. We took option B and nominated Bernie. #pureMichigan
          Yeah, and where exactly did that get us? We're a red-leaning state getting redder because the "under 35 and educated" demo is leaving for much more hip states where a lot of the good jobs are.

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            Originally posted by FadeToBlack&Gold View Post
            Yeah, and where exactly did that get us?
            Nowhere because Bernie ran a bad campaign far too late and somehow people think that means everyone rejects his ideas despite all proof otherwise. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.8a5781bb2c17

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            • Originally posted by Kepler View Post
              But the young aren't buying any of their sh-t. There really is a revolt boiling up from below against the Clintons and McAuliffes and Kaines and, well, the Rovers. It was OK when they were winning elections but now they're telling everyone to tamp down all their ideals and their hopes... and for that they STILL LOSE! They are applying political lessons from a 1988 landscape to 2018, and they are hopelessly adrift and clueless.

              The future of the Democratic party is in a full-on, aggressive, take no prisoners reassertion of leftism, but in language and towards ends that resonate with people born after the Mike Dukakis tank video. The old who are suffocating the left don't just mislead with their cowardice, they also don't realize that the issues that motivated them are as irrelevant as bi-metalism, and their mindset is as dead as Hegelianism. Their. Day. Is. Over.
              This. A lot of folks 35 and under are tired of the Hilly-con BS and want serious leftist policies. I said it during the primaries and I'll say it again, the Democrats are facing a split in the party.
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                Originally posted by Jimjamesak View Post
                This. A lot of folks 35 and under are tired of the Hilly-con BS and want serious leftist policies. I said it during the primaries and I'll say it again, the Democrats are facing a split in the party.
                Not a split, an evolution. The young leftists fit the ecological niche better. The old moderates are literally dying off, just not fast enough, so they need a little shove.
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                  Originally posted by SJHovey View Post
                  The Republican Party tells you exactly what they want to do, and then they either do it or try to do it. They will tell you they are going to cut taxes. They tell you they are going to keep certain races out of the country. They tell you they are going to put up barriers to vote. They leave it up to you to figure out whether all of that is going to be personally good for you.
                  You've got to be 5hitting me. Look at the last 8 months of the healthcare debate and show me the honesty. They tell you they are going to provide beautiful, affordable healthcare for everyone, they tell you they are going to supercharge the economy creating an abundance of better and higher paying jobs, they tell you they are going to get rid of rampant voter fraud.

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                    I have a feeling that this vaster-than- normal generational revolution has something to do with the internet. Does a college student today identify more strongly with "his" US political party, or with Chinese, German, Swedish, and Moroccan college students who are exposed to the same information and fighting similar battles? It's time for big ideas like national health care that have proved out elsewhere.
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                      Originally posted by geezer View Post
                      I have a feeling that this vaster-than- normal generational revolution has something to do with the internet. Does a college student today identify more strongly with "his" US political party, or with Chinese, German, Swedish, and Moroccan college students who are exposed to the same information and fighting similar battles? It's time for big ideas like national health care that have proved out elsewhere.
                      My guess is for the 10% or so who are operating on all cylinders intellectually and technologically, the entire world over, nation means next to nothing now. Like race and religion it's an ape category.

                      For a million years the smart have had to hide from the far more numerous and violent dumb. The internet did change that. It used to be the dumb would get mad enough they'd just lynch you. That made life in a small town unbearable, so the smart moved to cities. Cities were a lot better but the dumb were still the vast majority and they could still vote to harm you. So the smart moved online.

                      It's not a Golden Age and we'll never really solve the problem without FTL and just literally getting away from them. But it's a step in the right direction.
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                        Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                        Not a split, an evolution. The young leftists fit the ecological niche better. The old moderates are literally dying off, just not fast enough, so they need a little shove.
                        And lose and lose and lose again will continue to happen. All the Repub candidate has to do is be for tax cuts for the rich, abortion, and the Supreme Court and as long as one of those three is on the ballot they win. Democrats couldn't be bothered with the Supreme Court. Purity Tests ALWAYS LOSE ELECTIONS.
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                        Originally Posted by dropthatpuck-Scooby's a lost cause.
                        Originally Posted by First Time, Long Time-Always knew you were nothing but a troll.

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                          Feeling ignored by the dem establishment and not wanting another 4 years of the status quo doesn't make you some type of purist that's just a ridiculous narrative that needs to go away. If you want to say that about the people who didn't vote/protest voted/voted 3rd party then I get it but that doesn't mean you should ignore the greater issues at play and blame Bernie supporters or the man himself (especially now when he's doing a lot more for the party than writing terrible books that certain people on here repeat verbatim).

                          Originally posted by jerphisch View Post
                          You've got to be 5hitting me. Look at the last 8 months of the healthcare debate and show me the honesty. They tell you they are going to provide beautiful, affordable healthcare for everyone, they tell you they are going to supercharge the economy creating an abundance of better and higher paying jobs, they tell you they are going to get rid of rampant voter fraud.
                          Yeah... that's kinda why I just cut out those paragraphs of what he was saying because it's just simply bogus. On certain issues he's right but there's a reason they've gotten nothing done so far and republican voters are complete suckers.
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                            Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
                            And lose and lose and lose again will continue to happen. All the Repub candidate has to do is be for tax cuts for the rich, abortion, and the Supreme Court and as long as one of those three is on the ballot they win. Democrats couldn't be bothered with the Supreme Court. Purity Tests ALWAYS LOSE ELECTIONS.
                            You repeatedly SHOUT something that is irrelevant to the point.

                            There is no purity test. Once the nomination is done that's it, 100% support and nary a negative word about the nominee no matter how conservative they are. Any D is better than any R. What you have your panties in a bunch about is not what we are talking about here at all.

                            The point is in the primaries you aim as high as you can. In San Francisco you go so moonbat even I'm like, "whoa, now, let's talk about this in quiet rooms!" In Alvin, Texas you put up the guy who wants to behead all Muslims, not torture them first, because that's what the local community standard of liberalism is.

                            You lead the receiver by a couple steps, everywhere, always. You push a little, but you recognize your limits.

                            You try to push say D+2 everywhere over and above whatever the base score is, so in Kansas that means you run R+15 and in some Alabama district you run R+85.

                            Our problem is nationally we've been running R+10 because the Olds think if you go anywhere near D+1 the Ghost of Saint Ronnie will rise from the dead and slay you. Well f-ck that. For one thing it's not true and for the other the R+10 strategy is destroying the country.

                            That's the point. The point you keep yammering about is totally irrelevant.
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                              Losing sure is irrelevant.
                              **NOTE: The misleading post above was brought to you by Reynold's Wrap and American Steeples, makers of Crosses.

                              Originally Posted by dropthatpuck-Scooby's a lost cause.
                              Originally Posted by First Time, Long Time-Always knew you were nothing but a troll.

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                                :facepalm:

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