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    Given that they’re D-III, they’d have to formally play up. I’d thought the NCAA was done with that (except maybe for D-II schools due to the lack of a championship at that level).
    They are done with that. No more play-ups from D-III. UW-EC athletics would have to go D-I or D-II.
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    Three years of budgetary related shutdowns caused by the speaker of the house and the governor measuring dicks every summer will do that. It was the same old cut taxes, cut services, cry poor for the last few years.

    Yes, there has been a flight of people leaving the state, but additional revenue sources needed to be found.
    How bad can it be? New York and Massachusetts (and to some degree Michigan and Minnesota, too) have been dealing with ridiculous state government and financial situations causing mass exodus for decades, but they've got a whole bunch of D-I hockey teams (although admittedly, only one -Cornell- of New York's could be considered even remotely a state school. SUNYs are all D-III). All the poor hockey fans of Illinois want is just one.
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    Cornell is a state school (even remotely)? Has the Ivy League been made aware of that? And BTW, Northeastern constantly gets misidentified as Northwestern in the national sports media so I guess you could say that--in a sense--Northwestern has hockey.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Split-N View Post
    Cornell is a state school (even remotely)? Has the Ivy League been made aware of that? And BTW, Northeastern constantly gets misidentified as Northwestern in the national sports media so I guess you could say that--in a sense--Northwestern has hockey.
    From the Wikipedia article about Cornell

    Cornell is one of ten private land grant universities in the United States and the only one in New York. Of its seven undergraduate colleges, three are state-supported statutory or contract colleges through the State University of New York (SUNY) system, including its agricultural and human ecology colleges as well as its industrial labor relations school. Of Cornell's graduate schools, only the veterinary college is state-supported. As a land grant college, Cornell operates a cooperative extension outreach program in every county of New York and receives annual funding from the State of New York for certain educational missions.

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    From the Wikipedia article about Cornell

    Cornell is one of ten private land grant universities in the United States and the only one in New York. Of its seven undergraduate colleges, three are state-supported statutory or contract colleges through the State University of New York (SUNY) system, including its agricultural and human ecology colleges as well as its industrial labor relations school. Of Cornell's graduate schools, only the veterinary college is state-supported. As a land grant college, Cornell operates a cooperative extension outreach program in every county of New York and receives annual funding from the State of New York for certain educational missions.
    Correct.

    My brother-in-law went to Cornell (All Ivy League wrestler multiple years). His wife went to the State school portion of Cornell. She paid a lot less than he did.

    However, I doubt any of the state funds going to Cornell goes into the athletics program. That is all funded by the private part of Cornell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Russell Jaslow View Post
    Correct.

    My brother-in-law went to Cornell (All Ivy League wrestler multiple years). His wife went to the State school portion of Cornell. She paid a lot less than he did.

    However, I doubt any of the state funds going to Cornell goes into the athletics program. That is all funded by the private part of Cornell.
    Very little of the private money goes to athletics, either:

    Using endowments as a long-term funding model has worked well at Cornell University. Eleven of the department's 36 teams are self-funded--men's and women's polo, sprint football, baseball, men's and women's squash, men's golf, men's and women's tennis, women's equestrian, and men's lightweight rowing--and it has been this way for more than 15 years. The school primarily targets student-athlete alumni for donations, focusing on endowment gifts.

    The other 25 sports have their own endowments, too, just not large enough to be entirely self-funding in perpetuity. Between endowment yield, annual donations, and other revenue sources (tickets, concessions, advertising), I believe (but could not quickly confirm) that the entire Cornell athletic department is actually revenue neutral, needing no financial support from the university itself.
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    From the Wikipedia article about Cornell

    Cornell is one of ten private land grant universities in the United States and the only one in New York. Of its seven undergraduate colleges, three are state-supported statutory or contract colleges through the State University of New York (SUNY) system...
    Wow. I guess the "learn something new everyday" maxim applies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Split-N View Post
    Wow. I guess the "learn something new everyday" maxim applies.
    I learned it a few years ago when some sports journalist who fancies himself an intellectual got called out for brandishing his Cornell degree, when he was from what someone else called the "milking and bovine management" part of Cornell.

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    They are done with that. No more play-ups from D-III. UW-EC athletics would have to go D-I or D-II.
    I believe they would need to go DII before they go DI. That said, that should be sufficient for hockey.
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    Quote Originally Posted by komey1 View Post
    I believe they would need to go DII before they go DI. That said, that should be sufficient for hockey.
    Tell that to the Northeast Ten schools that are D-II but elect to play D-III schedules anyway.

    There’s literally an entire autobid sized conference of D-II teams just farting around in D-III for reasons I don’t fully understand. Maybe if Bentley and AIC show them it’s possible to play up here and not do too badly at it, they’ll change their tune? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExileOnDaytonStreet View Post
    Tell that to the Northeast Ten schools that are D-II but elect to play D-III schedules anyway.

    There’s literally an entire autobid sized conference of D-II teams just farting around in D-III for reasons I don’t fully understand. Maybe if Bentley and AIC show them it’s possible to play up here and not do too badly at it, they’ll change their tune? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
    But they choose to do that.

    komey1 is accurate, if the schools choose to do that.
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    Re: U of Illinois AD & NHL joint press conference

    Quote Originally Posted by ExileOnDaytonStreet View Post
    Tell that to the Northeast Ten schools that are D-II but elect to play D-III schedules anyway.

    There’s literally an entire autobid sized conference of D-II teams just farting around in D-III for reasons I don’t fully understand. Maybe if Bentley and AIC show them it’s possible to play up here and not do too badly at it, they’ll change their tune? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
    I'm guessing that they just don't want to spend the money but have enough of a donor base to keep the program running laps around the boards.

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    Because I keep hearing more chatter from people out west I will be surprised if they don't announce a D1 team soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by komey1 View Post
    I believe they would need to go DII before they go DI. That said, that should be sufficient for hockey.
    When SNC did the study a few years ago, the answer was they could stay D3 for everything else but wouldn't be able to offer scholarships in D1. Schools such as CC are grandfathered into their situation but no one else could copy it now. I don't know if that's still the case, however.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GB Puck Fan View Post
    When SNC did the study a few years ago, the answer was they could stay D3 for everything else but wouldn't be able to offer scholarships in D1. Schools such as CC are grandfathered into their situation but no one else could copy it now. I don't know if that's still the case, however.
    And since 2011, new playups are verboten.

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    When SNC did the study a few years ago, the answer was they could stay D3 for everything else but wouldn't be able to offer scholarships in D1. Schools such as CC are grandfathered into their situation but no one else could copy it now. I don't know if that's still the case, however.
    It's still the case. Just ask RIT.

    And as joecct said, you can't even move one team up anymore.
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    The only playup situation out there are the D-II programs out there still playing D-III schedules (the NE-10 schools and Post IIRC), most of whom have women’s teams that are doing the same playup for women’s hockey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExileOnDaytonStreet View Post
    The only playup situation out there are the D-II programs out there still playing D-III schedules (the NE-10 schools and Post IIRC), most of whom have women’s teams that are doing the same playup for women’s hockey.
    The NCAA tournament for women is a combined D1 and D2 National Collegiate Championship.

    The men are D1 only. D2's can get in, but it takes a declaration by the D2 that they want to play in the shark pool.

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    Re: U of Illinois AD & NHL joint press conference

    Quote Originally Posted by ExileOnDaytonStreet View Post
    Tell that to the Northeast Ten schools that are D-II but elect to play D-III schedules anyway.

    There’s literally an entire autobid sized conference of D-II teams just farting around in D-III for reasons I don’t fully understand. Maybe if Bentley and AIC show them it’s possible to play up here and not do too badly at it, they’ll change their tune? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
    RIT made it from D3 to Frozen Four in a relative short period of time and has since made 3 NCAA tournament appearances with another victory over Minnesota State without scholarships. Do they need more than that?

    They could start out as a cost-containment conference and limit scholarships on their own.
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    Quote Originally Posted by joecct View Post
    The NCAA tournament for women is a combined D1 and D2 National Collegiate Championship.

    The men are D1 only. D2's can get in, but it takes a declaration by the D2 that they want to play in the shark pool.
    Given the lack of a D-II championship, I’m curious if that’s much of a hurdle. But I also don’t know the NCAA bylaws, so maybe there would be fees or something beyond a bit of paperwork to deter them.

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