Re: Making a Murderer updates
I don't know. Those questions have been asked, and I don't know that anyone has the answer.
I don't think anyone has suggested that he "placed" it on the floor, but it certainly ended up there.
But I start with the admonition that you or someone else gave -- don't over think this.
The key is in his home, with his DNA on it. On top of that there are the other connections to Avery and his property involving Halbach (she was last seen there, bones there, car there).
If I'm a juror, I'm willing to listen to your arguments about no other DNA on the key. I'm willing to even listen to your arguments that it was planted.
What I'm not willing to accept is your argument that because there is no other DNA on the key, and because it wasn't found until a few days later, it must have been planted. The first two do not require acceptance of the third.
If you want to argue that it was planted, then give me the plausible story about who, when and how it was done. How did they get the key from the dead girls car, and when? How did they get Avery's DNA on it, and when? How did they get it planted, and when?
With respect to the conspiracy theories regarding the planting of the evidence, we've concentrated so much on the motive of the police and really nothing on how or when they might have done it. I think that's why you've seen Zellner's theories about who is trying to frame Avery shift around over time. Yeah, there may be evidence that the ex was involved, but how do we fit him into all of the other evidence like the DNA on the car and the key and the items at Avery's property? Yeah, there is evidence that the police work is questionable, but how do we get the key with the DNA on it to the police, and when, without pointing the fingers at the cops as Halbach's killer?
Originally posted by jerphisch
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I don't think anyone has suggested that he "placed" it on the floor, but it certainly ended up there.
But I start with the admonition that you or someone else gave -- don't over think this.
The key is in his home, with his DNA on it. On top of that there are the other connections to Avery and his property involving Halbach (she was last seen there, bones there, car there).
If I'm a juror, I'm willing to listen to your arguments about no other DNA on the key. I'm willing to even listen to your arguments that it was planted.
What I'm not willing to accept is your argument that because there is no other DNA on the key, and because it wasn't found until a few days later, it must have been planted. The first two do not require acceptance of the third.
If you want to argue that it was planted, then give me the plausible story about who, when and how it was done. How did they get the key from the dead girls car, and when? How did they get Avery's DNA on it, and when? How did they get it planted, and when?
With respect to the conspiracy theories regarding the planting of the evidence, we've concentrated so much on the motive of the police and really nothing on how or when they might have done it. I think that's why you've seen Zellner's theories about who is trying to frame Avery shift around over time. Yeah, there may be evidence that the ex was involved, but how do we fit him into all of the other evidence like the DNA on the car and the key and the items at Avery's property? Yeah, there is evidence that the police work is questionable, but how do we get the key with the DNA on it to the police, and when, without pointing the fingers at the cops as Halbach's killer?
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