Making a Murderer updates

[Shirtless Guy]

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The killer to me is the explanation of the Colburn phone call about the license plate.

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

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This may have already been covered here but zellner says cell pings prove Bobby was not hunting where he claims to have been

[Handyman]

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If they are out of ways to appeal/number of times to appeal, it could be over with.

The cd....I suppose it depends on if the images were of people underage. If they are 18+, and pics were photoshopped, had consenting adults in the torture porn biz, or were acquired from legit news sources/Freedom Of Information Act (public records), that may be a different story.

I dont think it is ever over with as long as they have tests to run or evidence to gather. They cant appeal more in Federal Court (unless the SC changes their mind) but they can file motions in Wisconsin State Court based on anything new they see or find.

As for the CD I dont know if just having that on your computer is enough...especially since multiple people had access to the computer.

[solovsfett]

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https://t.co/Xni24AdmQt?amp=1


There are LE from other states contacting Zellner and cheering her on. Wisconsin DOJ is a joke.

I can’t wait to see Colburn, Lenk, Kratz et all behind bars.

[wolverineTrumpet]

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Watched episode 6 last night. Seriously, what is wrong with Kratz? If you are confident in the work you did, you don't need to hold a presser years later, after you've retired, stating your work should hold up in an appeals case.
I find it as pathetic as holding a rally every week after you've already won the presidency. Please, someone stroke my ego, because I'm an insecure pr!k and can't believe what I've gotten away with.

[Shirtless Guy]

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Watched episode 6 last night. Seriously, what is wrong with Kratz? If you are confident in the work you did, you don't need to hold a presser years later, after you've retired, stating your work should hold up in an appeals case.
I find it as pathetic as holding a rally every week after you've already won the presidency. Please, someone stroke my ego, because I'm an insecure pr!k and can't believe what I've gotten away with.

gotta sell his book

[solovsfett]

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Nailed it: https://t.co/afue9ju5sS?amp=1

[solovsfett]

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Peter Jackson weighs in: https://t.co/NvS5Q6nWko?amp=1

[solovsfett]

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Josh Kaul in, Kathleen Zellner is celebrating, justice MAY arrive in Wisconsin at long last.

Message to Colburn, Lenk, Fassbender, Wiegert, Sturme, Hillegas, Tadych and Bobby D: “one, two, Zellner’s coming for you!”

[solovsfett]

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Zellner feels an evidentiary hearing may come by end of 2019,...
https://t.co/yfNrdhUXr6?amp=1

I post about this often because I can’t imagine doing one day, much less 32 years of time (combining both of Avery’s stints) for a crime you didn’t commit.

Manitowoc, Calumet, Kratz and DOJ are pretty easily explained. No-one wants to pay massive civil judgments nor admit corruption and put 6 cops and a DA in prison.

But the Halbach family’s resistance to what they must now know is the truth is really beyond exasperating.

[solovsfett]

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https://t.co/OIQfgokwag?amp=1


I’m getting hopeful Kratz, Schimel et al will be destroyed by their corruption.

[solovsfett]

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https://twitter.com/TManitowoc/statu...547731456?s=20

Maybe this goes deeper than Zellner thinks or knows. Was a DOJ agent on Avery property 9 months before the disappearance?

If yes, we should know what she was doing there. If DOJ leaned on MCSD to get Avery that’s next level Kafka.

[SJHovey]

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Zellner feels an evidentiary hearing may come by end of 2019,...
https://t.co/yfNrdhUXr6?amp=1

I post about this often because I can’t imagine doing one day, much less 32 years of time (combining both of Avery’s stints) for a crime you didn’t commit.

Manitowoc, Calumet, Kratz and DOJ are pretty easily explained. No-one wants to pay massive civil judgments nor admit corruption and put 6 cops and a DA in prison.

But the Halbach family’s resistance to what they must now know is the truth is really beyond exasperating.

Due to other series we started watching, and wanted to finish, I've been slow to get started on Season 2 of Making a Murderer. Finally this past weekend I got a few episodes watched.

I was interested to read your Newsweek link because it answered one question that came to my mind as I was watching, and that was what kind of money has Zellner put into this case. If you elect to hire the top expert in every single field, you're going to spend some coin, and she has obviously done that. Unanswered, even by the Newsweek article, is what kind of deal does Zellner have with Avery? Does she have his claim against Wisconsin once she gets him out? Is that how she funds these wrongful conviction cases and the time and money she puts into them?

She is interesting to watch work, but more interesting is the work of the experts she's hired. It seems obvious to me (and I think she'd admit this) that her success in these cases basically comes from a willingness to fund a bunch of experts who actually know what they are doing to look at the evidence.

I'll admit I was a bit alarmed by her early work with the blood spatter guy. For instance, when they were talking about the likelihood of Avery's bloody finger leaving a smear near the ignition, Zellner pointed out or argued that if that happened, he would have certainly had to have left smears elsewhere, such as the door latch for the driver's door of the Rav. On that point I think she is almost certainly wrong. The cut was on Avery's right hand, and unless you have something in your left hand, I don't think anyone would open the driver's side door with their right hand, just like I don't think you'd open the the passenger side door with your left hand. It's just too unnatural.

Similarly, during that same episode as they discussed the blood spatter on the rear inside panel of the Rav. Once they were able to recreate the spatter pattern by using the hammer covered in blood and waving it in the direction of the door, Zellner expressed the opinion that they now know what happened and how Halbach was killed (basically hit with a hammer like object immediately behind the Rav). I don't think that's necessarily true. Just because you find a way to recreate the splatter pattern doesn't mean that you found the way it was created.

But I think she's rebounded nicely, and the evidence her experts have come up with regarding things like the bullet has certainly been compelling.

My only other criticism of her would be her promises to the Avery family, especially his parents. She certainly doesn't lack for confidence, but I don't know that it's a great idea to basically promise them that Steven Avery will be released from prison and coming home to them. As we saw with Dassey, creating false hope is almost harder on a family than having little or no hope at all. Avery probably didn't commit this murder, or at least certainly as the State claims, but I wouldn't go so far as Zellner as to say that I'm willing to "bet my life" that Avery gets out. There are a lot of innocent people in prison.

I'm going to try to finish up the series tonight.

[SJHovey]

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quick thoughts

- Wisconsin will never concede even though it appears LE in other states are beginning to take notice and ask ***? It’s incredible to witness this as a resident. Andy Colburn hired a PR firm a few years back to refute MAM...I guess talk radio blowhard Dan O’Donnel is part of that.

This is one of the things that has bothered me about this series.

In my opinion, the series itself has probably made it significantly harder to get Dassey and Avery out of prison. If this case had just remained another prosecution in Wisconsin like Avery's first case, my guess is that people who have come into office later and replaced people like Kratz would be working with Zellner just like other prosecutors around the country.

The problem is the series. When you start publicly charging people like the prosecutors and cops with planting evidence and corruption, then spread that message worldwide so that people in New Zealand and India and everywhere else are sending you messages telling you what scum you are, people dig in their heals. For people like Kratz, the cops, the Wisconsin DOJ, etc..., this is not about whether Avery is guilty. This case is now about whether they are corrupt, and they aren't going to concede that point ever. The only way to not concede that point is to fight to the death to keep Avery and Dassey in prison. So long as they are in prison, Kratz and the cops believe their reputations are intact.

[Shirtless Guy]

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In some ways it seems like the best option is a pardon, but that seems unlikely from Walker even though he's currently a lame duck.