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  • #871
    Re: Climate Change 2: Thank God for Global Warming

    Originally posted by cF[Authentic] View Post
    Unfortunately, that's not the case. They're still at about 35% coal/lignite. They do have a plan to close all coal mines in the next 15ish years. However, they also still buy some energy from neighboring countries, which is fossil fuel powered. So I don't know if that's better.
    Was it Germany that shut down nuclear after Fukishima then backed it out when they realized that would push their coal right back up again?
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    • #872
      Re: Climate Change 2: Thank God for Global Warming

      You'd think Republicans would be all in on something called "rapeseed."

      -I'll show myself out.
      If you don't change the world today, how can it be any better tomorrow?

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      • #873
        Re: Climate Change 2: Thank God for Global Warming

        Nuclear is not an option. The most dangerous place in the world is still that basement in Pripyat. It will be for the next several generations. Even now the waste is eating through the concrete floor and eventually (on a geologic scale, not a human one) that radiation will leak through and contaminate the ground water for...how many tens of millions? Already there are fish in the Pacific testing positive following Fukushima. The problem is only going to get worse as it moves up the food chain and they end up in the seafood section of your supermarket. And, oh BTW, Fukushima is still spreading highly radioactive water into the Pacific. Use as many safety measures as you want. It will never be safe. Earthquakes, hurricanes, tidal waves, any number of natural disasters can come along and destroy the power plant. Even now there's a ticking time bomb under the melting Greenland ice. No, not the greenhouse gasses, though that's its own problem. The remnants of Camp Century, including the nuclear reactor and all the waste. Thankfully the engineers figured out unstable ice sheets were not a good place to put nuclear missiles or we'd really have a nightmare but all that radioactive waste is just what the Atlantic needs. Estimates were that would happen in about 80 years, but the Greenland ice is melting much faster than anticipated and those estimates are now short enough that some of us will be alive to see the waste drift into the ocean. Yay!

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        • #874
          Re: Climate Change 2: Thank God for Global Warming

          Originally posted by ticapnews View Post
          Nuclear is not an option.
          I know, I was just saying it's included in the renawables count so being all renewable per se is not all that great for the environment.

          The future is the angry glowing blob in the sky. It's pretty f-cking obvious.

          All solar eventually means free power like free air and water, and incidentally will also be accompanied by the return of free air and water. It will be the third great leap forward, after the steam engine and electricity.

          Free unlimited power plus FTL means we made it, we can get away from the apes.
          Last edited by Kepler; 10-03-2019, 11:42 AM.
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          • #875
            Re: Climate Change 2: Thank God for Global Warming

            The holy grail is still fusion. Solar is just a bridge unless storage also advances significantly.
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            • #876
              Re: Climate Change 2: Thank God for Global Warming

              Originally posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
              The holy grail is still fusion. Solar is just a bridge unless storage also advances significantly.
              Well, I mean, solar is fusion. Just at a distance...
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              • #877
                Re: Climate Change 2: Thank God for Global Warming

                Where’s Hai Fat when he’s needed?
                a legend and an out of work bum look a lot alike, daddy.

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                • #878
                  Re: Climate Change 2: Thank God for Global Warming

                  Originally posted by mookie1995 View Post
                  Where’s Hai Fat when he’s needed?
                  You better be careful, that's exactly who I was thinking of when you mentioned the ambassador's wives.
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                  • #879
                    Re: Climate Change 2: Thank God for Global Warming

                    Originally posted by ticapnews View Post
                    Nuclear is not an option. The most dangerous place in the world is still that basement in Pripyat. It will be for the next several generations. Even now the waste is eating through the concrete floor and eventually (on a geologic scale, not a human one) that radiation will leak through and contaminate the ground water for...how many tens of millions? Already there are fish in the Pacific testing positive following Fukushima. The problem is only going to get worse as it moves up the food chain and they end up in the seafood section of your supermarket. And, oh BTW, Fukushima is still spreading highly radioactive water into the Pacific. Use as many safety measures as you want. It will never be safe. Earthquakes, hurricanes, tidal waves, any number of natural disasters can come along and destroy the power plant. Even now there's a ticking time bomb under the melting Greenland ice. No, not the greenhouse gasses, though that's its own problem. The remnants of Camp Century, including the nuclear reactor and all the waste. Thankfully the engineers figured out unstable ice sheets were not a good place to put nuclear missiles or we'd really have a nightmare but all that radioactive waste is just what the Atlantic needs. Estimates were that would happen in about 80 years, but the Greenland ice is melting much faster than anticipated and those estimates are now short enough that some of us will be alive to see the waste drift into the ocean. Yay!
                    Fukishima was a flawed design. Chernobyl was an even more flawed design.

                    Breeder reactors keep reusing fuel, so waste isn't a problem.

                    And Thorium salt reactors- which are pretty unique in terms of how they work and their safety system, does show a lot of promise.

                    And we will need an alternative to solar when there's no sun and the batteries run out. Let alone, a system that is flexible enough to change relative to demand- which Solar and wind really isn't- they are subject to their supply more than the demand. Whatever that is- it's a power system that is robust to the surrounding environment. Heck, in an area that I'm a HUGE proponent of solar, and they have massive amounts of wind- post hurricane, they need *something* other than both, since neither can survive, at the moment.

                    Unless you have a better option than to just burn stuff.

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                    • #880
                      Re: Climate Change 2: Thank God for Global Warming

                      Originally posted by alfablue View Post
                      And we will need an alternative to solar when there's no sun and the batteries run out.
                      Put the collectors in orbit so there's always sun?
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                      • #881
                        Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                        Put the collectors in orbit so there's always sun?
                        The sun goes away at night, so there's that. Wind isn't a viable alternative either because of the windmill cancer.

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                        • #882
                          Re: Climate Change 2: Thank God for Global Warming

                          Originally posted by ticapnews View Post
                          The sun goes away at night
                          I forgot that part. It's the light in God's fridge.
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                          • #883
                            Re: Climate Change 2: Thank God for Global Warming

                            Originally posted by ticapnews View Post
                            The sun goes away at night, so there's that. Wind isn't a viable alternative either because of the windmill cancer.
                            On a serious note- is there a place on earth that can 100% rely on the combination of wind and solar without some kind of make up power? I can't think of one.

                            Whereas I can think of a LOT of places where the sun in the winter is a whole lot shorter than in the summer, clouds cover for days on end, and wind isn't blowing 100% of the time. Which means something is needed for make up when the sun and wind are not capable of doing all of the work. What should that be, if we can't burn stuff?

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                            • #884
                              Re: Climate Change 2: Thank God for Global Warming

                              Originally posted by alfablue View Post
                              On a serious note- is there a place on earth that can 100% rely on the combination of wind and solar without some kind of make up power?
                              The entire North American prairie from Texas to Manitoba?
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                              • #885
                                Originally posted by alfablue View Post
                                On a serious note- is there a place on earth that can 100% rely on the combination of wind and solar without some kind of make up power? I can't think of one.

                                Whereas I can think of a LOT of places where the sun in the winter is a whole lot shorter than in the summer, clouds cover for days on end, and wind isn't blowing 100% of the time. Which means something is needed for make up when the sun and wind are not capable of doing all of the work. What should that be, if we can't burn stuff?
                                Most of Europe gets its power from solar and wind now. I think it was Holland (maybe Denmark) that went 100% renewable recently.

                                China is already developing alternatives and when they decide not to use coal anymore they can turn it off like flipping a light switch. They have huge solar farms (you may have seen the one shaped like a panda) and massive wind farms. Huge parts of Africa and Australia as well. We just need to build the solar panels and windmills.

                                Also in the mix is tidal power. Some European countries have harnessed that energy source. As long as we have a moon that source isn't going away either.

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