Climate Change 2: Thank God for Global Warming

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

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Bill Maher tonight railed on the pathetic argument of “we’ll die anyway so who cares.”

If Sic wants his grandkids to live miserable lives I guess that’s his business. Bill Barr made similar comments this week.

[alfablue]

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Bill Maher tonight railed on the pathetic argument of “we’ll die anyway so who cares.”

If Sic wants his grandkids to live miserable lives I guess that’s his business. Bill Barr made similar comments this week.

It's actually classic short term goal thinking that is very common in businesses right now. "Shareholder Value". This is where managers pretend to be thinking about the future, but totally plan on short term gains, mostly to raise the share price. So it's pretty natural that businesses think in short terms where it's ok to harm the future for their own good.

This is one of those things where the tax code needs changed so that income is income, and payment via shares is exactly the same as any other income. This will force a mentality change in the top of corporations back to longer (not long, but longer than now) thinking.

The shocking thing is that really old companies that are still dominated by families are convinced of doing this. From farmers to the Fords.

And it's also why I'm no fan of the US's current version of capitalism. Where shareholders are not just #1, they are #2-10, too. There's almost no real responsibility to society, the environment, or the future. Sic and others like him have totally bought into this crap, not noticing that the actual people who benefit by this thinking is so very small that they are not part of it. Totally in denial that other societies around the world have figured out how to deal with it- like the Scandinavian countries, or Finland, or other European countries. Instead of taking some very solid and democratic socialist ideas, they rail on the failures of the USSR, Cuba, and Venezuela as how bad socialism is- which also totally ignores the problem that we've adopted Communist China and Vietnam as our labor force.

[dxmnkd316]

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The Heist isn’t the greatest trick the rich ever played on us. It’s the concept of shareholder value is of the utmost importance. It makes these trillion-dollar heists look like couch change.

Edit: actually. It’s the idea that we derive our value as an employee by shareholder value. It’s effectively slave labor given the ratio of executive pay to median.

[aparch]

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This is totally okay actions by the "I got mine, go fu** yourself," mentality.


What really strikes me is the generation of people who today are constantly yelling about "the Earth does this naturally," "we'll survive," "The next generation will figure it out," are the VERY SAME GODDAMMED PEOPLE who were yelling 35 years ago that we needed to save this plant and to start reversing our actions. What happened? Oh, right, money made you all shut up about it.

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

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People who still call it "Communist China" or refer to their people as the "Chicoms" make me laugh.

[alfablue]

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People who still call it "Communist China" or refer to their people as the "Chicoms" make me laugh.

Technically, it still is, but only so that the Chairman can do whatever he wants to do. Realistically, it's not been for a VERY long time.

[ScoobyDoo]

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The Heist isn’t the greatest trick the rich ever played on us. It’s the concept of shareholder value is of the utmost importance. It makes these trillion-dollar heists look like couch change.

Edit: actually. It’s the idea that we derive our value as an employee by shareholder value. It’s effectively slave labor given the ratio of executive pay to median.

Great post. I agree. Shareholder value has destroyed America and American Capitalism.

[mookie1995]

Technically, it still is, but only so that the Chairman can do whatever he wants to do. Realistically, it's not been for a VERY long time.

Collective dictatorship.

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

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I would say the current Chinese model is mixed market statism/authoritarianism.

[walrus]

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This would be huge for electric cars and solar power
https://spectrum.ieee.org/energywise...getting-better

[RaceBoarder]

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The Mississippi's Old River Control Structure and it's potential problems.

The Weather Channel/Weather Underground has been running a series of articles on the control methods put in place on the Lower Mississippi and I find it absolutely fascinating. The particular events in question aren't necessarily a direct result of climate change, but more so a result of Momma Nature just being a stubborn B*tch and showing that man has no business telling her how to handle herself.

To me it's just mind-blowing that we legitimately think that we can control this river. We can just force it to hold her course. As the article states, we can begin shifting resources to allow the river to change course, but of course, mankind is too stubborn to allow that. This is a defecto example of man moving into one of nature's "problem areas" and then throwing their arms up in anger when they have to deal with a natural disaster.

[mookie1995]

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The lord can make you tumble
The lord can make you turn
The lord can make you overflow
....the lord can’t make you burn

[ScoobyDoo]

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The Mississippi's Old River Control Structure and it's potential problems.

The Weather Channel/Weather Underground has been running a series of articles on the control methods put in place on the Lower Mississippi and I find it absolutely fascinating. The particular events in question aren't necessarily a direct result of climate change, but more so a result of Momma Nature just being a stubborn B*tch and showing that man has no business telling her how to handle herself.

To me it's just mind-blowing that we legitimately think that we can control this river. We can just force it to hold her course. As the article states, we can begin shifting resources to allow the river to change course, but of course, mankind is too stubborn to allow that. This is a defecto example of man moving into one of nature's "problem areas" and then throwing their arms up in anger when they have to deal with a natural disaster.

You mean like how we keep building houses in flood plains?

We need to start working with mother nature instead of against it. But, it's probably too late already anyway.

[Kepler]

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You mean like how we keep building houses in flood plains?

We need to start working with mother nature instead of against it. But, it's probably too late already anyway.

Never too late. River's gonna river. It doesn't care about the ants crawling on its banks with their "machinery."

River's got time. To it we got here 10 minutes ago and we'll be gone in 5.

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

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http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20170...4ZUm9TD_ID7Cdk