Climate Change 2: Thank God for Global Warming

[mookie1995]

What's the lease deal?

Maybe the deal proposed below there states just take it cause it benefits the greater good

[alfablue]

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Nice change of the subject.

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How is it a change of subject? NIMBY is the same whether it's a windmill or a coal plant.

You are suggesting that people won't like having a windmill in their back yard, and people already have coal plants in their back yard. So why should we worry about land owners when we already crap on poor people? I'm certainly not going to care about 1 or 2 families of land owners worried about noise and shadow when we have entire neighborhoods of families down wind of coal plants. Worse if the windmills are not even on their land...

[walrus]

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How is it a change of subject? NIMBY is the same whether it's a windmill or a coal plant.

You are suggesting that people won't like having a windmill in their back yard, and people already have coal plants in their back yard. So why should we worry about land owners when we already crap on poor people? I'm certainly not going to care about 1 or 2 families of land owners worried about noise and shadow when we have entire neighborhoods of families down wind of coal plants. Worse if the windmills are not even on their land...

Im not suggesting anything other than shadows from turbine blades are a real issue.

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[alfablue]

Im not suggesting anything other than shadows from turbine blades are a real issue.

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And I’m pointing out that no matter how big the issue is, it pales compared to how people are dealing with coal power plants.

So it’s not a big deal.

[Kepler]

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How is it a change of subject? NIMBY is the same whether it's a windmill or a coal plant.

I'm on your side in this debate but I can't stop myself from playing Rhetoric Police.

It is whataboutism, which is a form of changing the subject, or at least changing the POV of the debate. Turbines > Coal Plants is absolutely relevant to the comparison of turbines and coal plants, but it's not relevant to a cloistered, non-analytic description of what a turbine does to its environment.

As to the latter, I've never lived near one so I don't know -- I just think they look really cool from a distance.

I've never lived near a coal plant either but I'm willing to make some assumptions.

[alfablue]

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I'm on your side in this debate but I can't stop myself from playing Rhetoric Police.

It is whataboutism, which is a form of changing the subject, or at least changing the POV of the debate. Turbines > Coal Plants is absolutely relevant to the comparison of turbines and coal plants, but it's not relevant to a cloistered, non-analytic description of what a turbine does to its environment.

As to the latter, I've never lived near one so I don't know -- I just think they look really cool from a distance.

I've never lived near a coal plant either but I'm willing to make some assumptions.

Greater society decided that there were going to be winners and losers when it comes to placing power plants- regardless of how it generates power.

The exact same thing is happening with wind turbines. The only difference now is that farmers are complaining and people are listening. As opposed to generally poor complaining, and everyone ignoring. And given the complaints, farmers and the local environment can handle it far better than most combustion based power. If you want environmental studies of combustion plants, I'm sure we can dig them up, but I can't see sound and shadow comparing well to combustion byproducts.

In other words, farmers can deal with it. Especially since they lease their land for power generation.

[WisconsinWildcard]

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My direct personal auditory/sensory experience aligns to this from Wisconsin. There's a pulsing of the blades in the wind.

https://www.wind-watch.org/video-fonddulacnoise.php

C'mon out to energy plantation and see for yourself.

What is hilarious about that clip is I have been outside of that exact wind turbine and it is not noisy at all. C'mon visit my parents house as it is surrounded by wind farms in Fond du Lac. Or don't. Try again.

[Kepler]

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energy plantation

So does this make the cities "tax dollar plantations"?

[dxmnkd316]

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What is hilarious about that clip is I have been outside of that exact wind turbine and it is not noisy at all. C'mon visit my parents house as it is surrounded by wind farms in Fond du Lac. Or don't. Try again.

Oof

[mookie1995]

Greater society decided that there were going to be winners and losers when it comes to placing power plants- regardless of how it generates power.

The exact same thing is happening with wind turbines. The only difference now is that farmers are complaining and people are listening. As opposed to generally poor complaining, and everyone ignoring. And given the complaints, farmers and the local environment can handle it far better than most combustion based power. If you want environmental studies of combustion plants, I'm sure we can dig them up, but I can't see sound and shadow comparing well to combustion byproducts.

In other words, farmers can deal with it. Especially since they lease their land for power generation.

Greater society allowed to decide if ******** babies can be born?
Greater society allow to determine when cancer patients have used enough health care dollars? Diabetes?
How about stupid people....iq < 105?
Ugly girls?

[mookie1995]

So does this make the inner cities "tax dollar plantations"?

Good question!

[alfablue]

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Greater society allowed to decide if ******** babies can be born?
Greater society allow to determine when cancer patients have used enough health care dollars? Diabetes?
How about stupid people....iq < 105?
Ugly girls?

What's your point?

It's all about who got listened to when people complained. Poor people are generally not listened to, even if their complaints are about health. Rich people are, even if the complain is about shadows.

I'm not interested in farmers whining about moving shadows when we put people downstream of coal plants. Big deal.

[mookie1995]

What's your point?

It's all about who got listened to when people complained. Poor people are generally not listened to, even if their complaints are about health. Rich people are, even if the complain is about shadows.

I'm not interested in farmers whining about moving shadows when we put people downstream of coal plants. Big deal.

You Are Not Going To Rewrite History.

Let’s deal with today’s issues today. Fatty Teddy’s family is never allowing turbines in Vineyard Sound

[SJHovey]

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I've been in a farmhouse that was relatively close to a wind farm, and personally I found the "strobe effect" of the shadows to be quite obnoxious, but I recognize it might affect people differently. But I'm a pretty big supporter of wind generation farms.

My view is this. If you move next to the nuisance, stop complaining. Don't buy the cheap house next to the coal plant or the wind farm. But if you were already there and the nuisance came to you, you have a right to complain. If someone tried to build an electric substation on the empty ground next to my home, I'd be pretty upset about it, I'm sure.

[Kepler]

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Greater society allowed to decide if ******** babies can be born?
Greater society allow to determine when cancer patients have used enough health care dollars? Diabetes?
How about stupid people....iq < 105?
Ugly girls?

No.

Yes. Yes.

YES! .... I vote nay.

We'll keep them, they're the smart ones.

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