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  • #916
    Re: Climate Change 2: Thank God for Global Warming

    I'm also ignorant of the engineering science involved, but it's not only accidents that slow the acceptance of nuclear power. Particularly with increasing awareness of the possibility that our systems can be hacked. Doesn't mean nuclear is not a viable option to carbon burning, but security will be an issue.

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    • #917
      Re: Climate Change 2: Thank God for Global Warming

      The answer to the hacking issue is easy, if somewhat inconvenient. DO NOT connect the control systems to the internet. Keep them isolated, stand alone. Do not connect them to anything that IS connected.
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      • #918
        Re: Climate Change 2: Thank God for Global Warming

        Originally posted by JoeZ View Post
        The answer to the hacking issue is easy, if somewhat inconvenient. DO NOT connect the control systems to the internet. Keep them isolated, stand alone. Do not connect them to anything that IS connected.
        I thought the problem is that a lot of the software depends on interconnectivity with web-based resources (updates, status accounting, etc).
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        • #919
          Re: Climate Change 2: Thank God for Global Warming

          Originally posted by JoeZ View Post
          The answer to the hacking issue is easy, if somewhat inconvenient. DO NOT connect the control systems to the internet. Keep them isolated, stand alone. Do not connect them to anything that IS connected.
          With automation becoming more and more prevalent, do you think people would be willing to take the steps to make an entire system that needs to be manned 24/7/365?
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          • #920
            Re: Climate Change 2: Thank God for Global Warming

            Originally posted by JoeZ View Post
            The answer to the hacking issue is easy, if somewhat inconvenient. DO NOT connect the control systems to the internet. Keep them isolated, stand alone. Do not connect them to anything that IS connected.
            I'm under the impression from an old 60 minutes episode that we still use 1970's floppy disks for our ICBM's for a combination of laziness and because they're too primitive to hack
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            • #921
              Re: Climate Change 2: Thank God for Global Warming

              With Cyber threats becoming more and more prevalent, the tools to maintain a secure standalone network are getting better and better in response. I work with multiple isolated networks on a daily basis - it honestly is not that big of an IT burden.
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              • #922
                Re: Climate Change 2: Thank God for Global Warming

                Originally posted by RaceBoarder View Post
                With automation becoming more and more prevalent, do you think people would be willing to take the steps to make an entire system that needs to be manned 24/7/365?
                all power plants are manned 24/7/365.

                you can automate lots of things without connecting them to the internet. You'll still need a human between an externally received signal like "the grid needs more power" and telling the reactor control computer to increase power to X megawatts.

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                • #923
                  Re: Climate Change 2: Thank God for Global Warming

                  To be fair all I know about this comes from Battlestar Galactica.
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                  • #924
                    Re: Climate Change 2: Thank God for Global Warming

                    Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                    I thought the problem is that a lot of the software depends on interconnectivity with web-based resources (updates, status accounting, etc).
                    Yeah, there is no such thing as an isolated network. Eventually updates get made. Unless those updates are never applied or are written on the isolated network themselves.

                    Plus we know a little bit about stuxnet’s vector. That was an air-gapped system.
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                    When the giraffes start building radio telescopes they can join too.
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                    • #925
                      Re: Climate Change 2: Thank God for Global Warming

                      Originally posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
                      Yeah, there is no such thing as an isolated network. Eventually updates get made. Unless those updates are never applied or are written on the isolated network themselves.

                      Plus we know a little bit about stuxnet’s vector. That was an air-gapped system.
                      That was managed by building time bombs right into the system prior to release, right? With or without Siemens' knowledge, the US and Israel loaded the malware right onto the firmware so it shipped with the product. When the Iranians turned the control system on they had themselves already brought the Trojan horse into the city. That's how I remember it -- I may be waaaay off.
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                      • #926
                        Originally posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
                        Yeah, there is no such thing as an isolated network. Eventually updates get made. Unless those updates are never applied or are written on the isolated network themselves.

                        Plus we know a little bit about stuxnet’s vector. That was an air-gapped system.
                        Weakest links will always be users with physical access like USB ports.
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                        • #927
                          Re: Climate Change 2: Thank God for Global Warming

                          Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                          That was managed by building time bombs right into the system prior to release, right? With or without Siemens' knowledge, the US and Israel loaded the malware right onto the firmware so it shipped with the product. When the Iranians turned the control system on they had themselves already brought the Trojan horse into the city. That's how I remember it -- I may be waaaay off.
                          It’s a possibility. But the virus also was released into the wild where it would install itself, check if it was on the right SLC7, lay dormant and infect everything it touched, and then delete itself.

                          It had four separate zero day exploits IIRC. This thing was set free to infect and eventually the gap was breached.
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                          Originally posted by bigblue_dl
                          I don't even know how to classify magic vagina smoke babies..
                          Originally posted by Kepler
                          When the giraffes start building radio telescopes they can join too.
                          He's probably going to be a superstar but that man has more baggage than North West

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                          • #928
                            Re: Climate Change 2: Thank God for Global Warming

                            Originally posted by aparch View Post
                            Weakest links will always be users with physical access like USB ports.
                            Or any kind of external media. Physical security is the only security.
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                            Originally posted by SanTropez
                            May your paint thinner run dry and the fleas of a thousand camels infest your dead deer.
                            Originally posted by bigblue_dl
                            I don't even know how to classify magic vagina smoke babies..
                            Originally posted by Kepler
                            When the giraffes start building radio telescopes they can join too.
                            He's probably going to be a superstar but that man has more baggage than North West

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                            • #929
                              Re: Climate Change 2: Thank God for Global Warming

                              https://scoop.upworthy.com/morgan-fr...HvhcEItAtANt9c

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                              This is the kind of thing our government is supposed to be doing.
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                              • #930
                                Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
                                This is the kind of thing our government is supposed to be doing.
                                Instead our governement is too busy bulldozing Saguaro
                                Cactus over on national park land specifically created for the protection of said cactus...
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