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    Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1 - #60

    Quote Originally Posted by MarkEagleUSA View Post
    You could say we had the suck last season...
    I wonder if RPI was #60 last year. We certainly sucked more than you did, as did SLU.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarkEagleUSA View Post
    You could say we had the suck last season...
    16-8-4 isn't so terrible. There must have been dozens of teams with worse records. I haven't reviewed the methodology here in a while - I'm genuinely curious how this could be considered the 2nd worst performance in the entire NCAA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LynahFan View Post
    16-8-4 isn't so terrible. There must have been dozens of teams with worse records. I haven't reviewed the methodology here in a while - I'm genuinely curious how this could be considered the 2nd worst performance in the entire NCAA.
    Just the second worst point change from last season...not necessarily the second worst performance in the country. It's also possible that I mis-entered the data in a previous season that was not caught until this season (or, that I mis-entered the data this season, which will be caught next season). I really prefer the longer trends (5-year, and next year I will be able to start doing a 10-year trend) to show how a program ranks over a period of time...but I include the one-year change for people who like to see the more immediate impacts of a season.

    Also, teams that have more points are more susceptible to larger negative seasons. For example, if both Denver and Arizona State went 0-36, DU would lose a lot more points than the Sun Devils.
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    Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1 - #60

    And rounding out the middle-third, #25-21:

    #25 - Notre Dame Fighting Irish
    Points: 62.6519
    Conference: Big Ten
    2017-2018 Record: 28-10-2 Overall; 17-6-1 Conference (1st)
    2017-2018 Results: Big Ten Regular Season Champion; Big Ten Tournament Champions; NCAA National Runner-up
    Point Difference from 2016-2017: 16.9766 Points (Rank: 2)
    5-year Total: 22.487 Points (Rank: 7)

    #24 - Union Dutchmen
    Points: 64.1448
    Conference: ECAC
    2017-2018 Record: 21-15-2 Overall; 16-5-1 Conference (2nd)
    2017-2018 Results: Lost in ECAC Quarterfinal; Missed NCAA Tournament
    Point Difference from 2016-2017: 0.5349 Points (Rank: 22)
    5-year Total: 6.8456 Points (Rank: 14)

    #23 - St. Lawrence Saints
    Points: 68.4998
    Conference: ECAC
    2017-2018 Record: 8-27-2 Overall; 3-18-1 Conference (12th)
    2017-2018 Results: Lost in ECAC First Round; Missed NCAA Tournament
    Point Difference from 2016-2017: -0.6494 Points (Rank: 60)
    5-year Total: 1.1534 Points (Rank: 35)

    #22 - Yale Bulldogs
    Points: 76.2993
    Conference: ECAC
    2017-2018 Record: 15-15-1 Overall; 10-11-1 Conference (8th)
    2017-2018 Results: Lost in ECAC First Round; Missed NCAA Tournament
    Point Difference from 2016-2017: 0.1857 Points (Rank: 27)
    5-year Total: 2.1581 Points (Rank: 28)

    #21 - Northern Michigan Wildcats
    Points: 82.0473
    Conference: WCHA
    2017-2018 Record: 25-15-3 Overall; 19-7-2 Conference (8th)
    2017-2018 Results: Lost in WCHA Championship; Missed NCAA Tournament
    Point Difference from 2016-2017: 0.8686 Points (Rank: 18)
    5-year Total: 1.1375 Points (Rank: 37)
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    Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1 - #60

    Quote Originally Posted by Fighting Sioux 23 View Post
    And rounding out the middle-third, #25-21:

    #25 - Notre Dame Fighting Irish
    Points: 62.6519
    Conference: Big Ten
    2017-2018 Record: 28-10-2 Overall; 17-6-1 Conference (1st)
    2017-2018 Results: Big Ten Regular Season Champion; Big Ten Tournament Champions; NCAA National Runner-up
    Point Difference from 2016-2017: 16.9766 Points (Rank: 2)
    5-year Total: 22.487 Points (Rank: 7)

    #24 - Union Dutchmen
    Points: 64.1448
    Conference: ECAC
    2017-2018 Record: 21-15-2 Overall; 16-5-1 Conference (2nd)
    2017-2018 Results: Lost in ECAC Quarterfinal; Missed NCAA Tournament
    Point Difference from 2016-2017: 0.5349 Points (Rank: 22)
    5-year Total: 6.8456 Points (Rank: 14)

    #23 - St. Lawrence Saints
    Points: 68.4998
    Conference: ECAC
    2017-2018 Record: 8-27-2 Overall; 3-18-1 Conference (12th)
    2017-2018 Results: Lost in ECAC First Round; Missed NCAA Tournament
    Point Difference from 2016-2017: -0.6494 Points (Rank: 60)
    5-year Total: 1.1534 Points (Rank: 35)

    #22 - Yale Bulldogs
    Points: 76.2993
    Conference: ECAC
    2017-2018 Record: 15-15-1 Overall; 10-11-1 Conference (8th)
    2017-2018 Results: Lost in ECAC First Round; Missed NCAA Tournament
    Point Difference from 2016-2017: 0.1857 Points (Rank: 27)
    5-year Total: 2.1581 Points (Rank: 28)

    #21 - Northern Michigan Wildcats
    Points: 82.0473
    Conference: WCHA
    2017-2018 Record: 25-15-3 Overall; 19-7-2 Conference (8th)
    2017-2018 Results: Lost in WCHA Championship; Missed NCAA Tournament
    Point Difference from 2016-2017: 0.8686 Points (Rank: 18)
    5-year Total: 1.1375 Points (Rank: 37)
    Wonder how much an NCAA tournament berth and WCHA championship next year would bump NMU up..
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    Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1 - #60

    Quote Originally Posted by MissThundercat View Post
    Wonder how much an NCAA tournament berth and WCHA championship next year would bump NMU up..
    Notre Dame has the greatest potential for moving up, IMO.
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    Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1 - #60

    SLU was #60 and QU #59, and I thought that it was impossible to do worse than RPI last year. I wonder if the ECAC swept the bottom 3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ralph Baer View Post
    SLU was #60 and QU #59, and I thought that it was impossible to do worse than RPI last year. I wonder if the ECAC swept the bottom 3.
    Should find out soon?

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    Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1 - #60

    And we begin the final third, here are #20-16:

    #20 - Bowling Green Falcons
    Points: 82.4437
    Conference: WCHA
    2017-2018 Record: 23-12-6 Overall; 17-6-5 Conference (3rd)
    2017-2018 Results: Lost in WCHA Semifinals; Missed NCAA Tournament
    Point Difference from 2016-2017: 0.9886 Points (Rank: 17)
    5-year Total: 1.9733 Points (Rank: 29)

    #19 - Providence Friars
    Points: 86.2489
    Conference: Hockey East
    2017-2018 Record: 24-12-4 Overall; 13-7-4 Conference (3rd)
    2017-2018 Results: Lost in Hockey East Championship; NCAA East Regional Finalist
    Point Difference from 2016-2017: 3.1415 Points (Rank: 9)
    5-year Total: 37.5636 Points (Rank: 5)

    #18 - New Hampshire Wildcats
    Points: 88.4274
    Conference: Hockey East
    2017-2018 Record: 10-20-6 Overall; 5-14-5 Conference (11th)
    2017-2018 Results: Lost in Hockey East First Round; Missed NCAA Tournament
    Point Difference from 2016-2017: -0.2944 Points (Rank: 53)
    5-year Total: 4.8323 Points (Rank: 20)

    #17 - Rensselaer Engineers
    Points: 100.2667
    Conference: ECAC
    2017-2018 Record: 6-27-4 Overall; 4-16-2 Conference (11th)
    2017-2018 Results: Lost in ECAC First Round; Missed NCAA Tournament
    Point Difference from 2016-2017: -0.4563 Points (Rank: 58)
    5-year Total: -4.1054 Points (Rank: 60*)

    #16 - Clarkson Golden Knights
    Points: 131.0266
    Conference: ECAC
    2017-2018 Record: 23-11-6 Overall; 12-5-5 Conference (3rd)
    2017-2018 Results: Lost in ECAC Championship; NCAA East Regional Semifinalist
    Point Difference from 2016-2017: 1.8115 Points (Rank: 12)
    5-year Total: 3.0071 Points (Rank: 25)

    *There was a data entry correction following the 2014-2015 season for RPI (I believe I had transposed their NCAA Tournament win-loss-tie record) that resulted in about a 3-4 point loss. The Engineers are still probably down a bit over the past 5 seasons, but more likely along the lines of a -1 to -1.5...which would still probably put them in the bottom 2-3 in the country.
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    Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1 - #60

    Quote Originally Posted by Fighting Sioux 23 View Post
    *There was a data entry correction following the 2014-2015 season for RPI (I believe I had transposed their NCAA Tournament win-loss-tie record) that resulted in about a 3-4 point loss. The Engineers are still probably down a bit over the past 5 seasons, but more likely along the lines of a -1 to -1.5...which would still probably put them in the bottom 2-3 in the country.
    As usual, I am confused. RPI's historic NCAA Tournament record is in the red, so if you transpose it, I would expect them to get more, not fewer points.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ralph Baer View Post
    As usual, I am confused. RPI's historic NCAA Tournament record is in the red, so if you transpose it, I would expect them to get more, not fewer points.
    Correct. And if I had transposed them they would have been green before the correction, which is why they lost points following the correction.

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    Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1 - #60

    Quote Originally Posted by Fighting Sioux 23 View Post
    Correct. And if I had transposed them they would have been green before the correction, which is why they lost points following the correction.
    I understand it now.

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    Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1 - #60

    Just a quick update, I'll be posting #15-11 next weekend, and then the Top 10 the following weekend. I've been in back-to-back trials the last couple weeks, but we should finish up the second one this week.
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    Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1 - #60

    Quote Originally Posted by Fighting Sioux 23 View Post
    Just a quick update, I'll be posting #15-11 next weekend, and then the Top 10 the following weekend. I've been in back-to-back trials the last couple weeks, but we should finish up the second one this week.
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    Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1 - #60

    Quote Originally Posted by burd View Post
    Do them while the judge reads jury instructions. Everyone will be asleep.
    Wonder if he's ever tried the 'ol, "Don't sell yourself short judge. You're a tremendous slouch". I've heard it's a great ice-breaker.

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    Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1 - #60

    Quote Originally Posted by Slap Shot View Post
    Wonder if he's ever tried the 'ol, "Don't sell yourself short judge. You're a tremendous slouch". I've heard it's a great ice-breaker.
    Nice!

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    Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1 - #60

    Quote Originally Posted by defkit View Post
    Nice!

    I think I asked many moons ago - you live in the Clark area? I lived there in PI when Clark and Subic were operational. Went to high school in Manila but went to the bases for sports events. The revolution was my during my senior year.
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    Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1 - #60

    And the programs that sit just on the outside looking in at the Top 10, #15-11:

    #15 - Harvard Crimson
    Points: 145.4594
    Conference: ECAC
    2017-2018 Record: 15-14-4 Overall; 11-8-3 Conference (4th)
    2017-2018 Results: Lost in ECAC Semifinals; Missed NCAA Tournament
    Point Difference from 2016-2017: 0.7811 Points (Rank: 19)
    5-year Total: 16.3957 Points (Rank: 9)

    #14 - Colorado College Tigers
    Points: 147.0792
    Conference: NCHC
    2017-2018 Record: 15-17-5 Overall; 8-12-4 Conference (T5th)
    2017-2018 Results: Lost in NCHC Quarterfinals; Missed NCAA Tournament
    Point Difference from 2016-2017: 0.3999 Points (Rank: 24)
    5-year Total: -1.1087 Points (Rank: 58)

    #13 - Lake Superior State Lakers
    Points: 154.1845
    Conference: WCHA
    2017-2018 Record: 10-22-4 Overall; 8-17-3 Conference (9th)
    2017-2018 Results: Missed WCHA Tournament; Missed NCAA Tournament
    Point Difference from 2016-2017: -0.4366 Points (Rank: 57)
    5-year Total: -0.9838 Points (Rank: 57)

    #12 - Cornell Big Red
    Points: 163.2471
    Conference: ECAC
    2017-2018 Record: 25-6-2 Overall; 17-3-2 Conference (1st)
    2017-2018 Results: Won ECAC Regular Season Championship; Lost in ECAC Semifinals; NCAA Northeast Regional Semifinalist
    Point Difference from 2016-2017: 3.8833 Points (Rank: 7)
    5-year Total: 4.2291 Points (Rank: 21)

    #11 - Michigan Tech Huskies
    Points: 167.0684
    Conference: WCHA
    2017-2018 Record: 22-17-5 Overall; 12-11-5 Conference (5th)
    2017-2018 Results: WCHA Tournament Champions; NCAA East Regional Semifinalist
    Point Difference from 2016-2017: 0.4071 Points (Rank: 23)
    5-year Total: 5.187 Points (Rank: 19)
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    Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1 - #60

    Ncaa regional semifinalist

    aka "one and done"

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    Quote Originally Posted by mookie1995 View Post
    Ncaa regional semifinalist

    aka "one and done"


    Still better than "Missed NCAA Tournament"
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